Canada Kicks Ass
Canada's treatment of Native Indians.

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Regina @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:28 am

You didn't stick anything. :roll:

My point was your lack of knowledge in that situation which you proved. The reserve in Barrie gets truck loads of money from the native run casino.....which was initially funded by money from the Federal government. That money also sees it's way to many other reserves like ones in my area. They built a double pad rink with the money just to name one project.

   



DuncanM @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:29 am

The Aboriginals SHOULD take responsibility for themselves. By remaining dependent upon others, they will never improve their standard of living.

In the 80's, my family helped a Vietnamese family (helping the Vietnamese boat people in the 80's was THE humanitarian cause of the moment). After a while, they got on their feet, started a business, sent their children to university, and they are doing quite well. Why did these people, who started with NOTHING, do so well within one generation? Because they had to--they did not have the guarantee of ongoing hand-outs.

Hand-outs to the Aboriginals should be halted. The fact is, government support is doing more harm than good.

   



-Mario- @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:36 am

DuncanM DuncanM:
The Aboriginals SHOULD take responsibility for themselves. By remaining dependent upon others, they will never improve their standard of living.

In the 80's, my family helped a Vietnamese family (helping the Vietnamese boat people in the 80's was THE humanitarian cause of the moment). After a while, they got on their feet, started a business, sent their children to university, and they are doing quite well. Why did these people, who started with NOTHING, do so well within one generation? Because they had to--they did not have the guarantee of ongoing hand-outs.

Hand-outs to the Aboriginals should be halted. The fact is, government support is doing more harm than good.
That is the heart of the problem...

Well said DuncanM...

   



Nugga_Nu @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:40 am

Canada's track record with regards to treatment of Natives is akin to Apartheid in my opinion.

They've herded the natives into what are essentially shantytowns under the politically correct guise of 'preserving their culture'.

Well, I have news for everybody, their culture is already destroyed, we saw to that.

Anyone who thinks our government has any intention of breaking the cylcle of dependancy is delusional. The lefties at the helm want the natives to remain dependant on handouts. It's classic socialism teetering on Stalinism/Communism.

One day, like in any socialist dictatorship, there will be a killing fields (we got close with Oka) and the natives will take the brunt of our government's wrath.

   



Regina @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:49 am

Herd them into shanty towns?? Where and when did this happen? Natives are free to live on or off the reserves.

"It's classic socialism teetering on Stalinism/Communism."
Care to give a specific example where you've seen this before and how it directly relates to this?

   



Nugga_Nu @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:54 am

Regina Regina:
Herd them into shanty towns?? Where and when did this happen? Natives are free to live on or off the reserves.

"It's classic socialism teetering on Stalinism/Communism."
Care to give a specific example where you've seen this before and how it directly relates to this?


Free to? Yes. Able to? Not for the most part, and it's not their fault.

Ever visit a reserve and see the sad state of them? Shanty town is only one of the adjectives that comes to mind, and again, I don't blame them at all, this is all part of social engineering like that which we have in Canada that merely breeds poverty.

Yeah, let's just keep our heads in the sand as to what's really happening. Why have we enforced segregation of one element of society and why do we keep it segregated (for the most part) under the guise of PCness?

As for my reference to Stalinism/Communism, where have you been for the last 80 years under a rock? See what's left of Russia and it's satellite states, see Cambodia. It's all very similar albeit on a grander scale than what goes on in the soft dictatorship known as modern day Canada.

   



PJB @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:00 am

Granted Canada's track record isn't all that great when dealing with the Aboriginal population here we have made some strides in attempting to correct the problems. The natives, however, are growing up into a culture of 'I am owed everything'. This dependancy on outside monies is not doing them any good whatsoever. We allow them to start Casinos whenever and whereever they want. We let them disregard Provincial laws under the guise of jurisdiction.

It's unfortunate that non-native Canadians are still paying for the misguided steps of our forefathers and natives are still suffering it's results.

The United States considers itself as a melting pot of cultures, assimilating all peoples into hyphenated Americans. Canada wants to repect the cultures that made this country but through false treaties, under interpretation from everyone and anyone we have destroyed the native culture by creating a society that, while trying to politically correct has become a culture to total dependance.

The United States attempted to wipe out the native culture through starvation and war and Canada attempted the same through simple dependance.

   



Nugga_Nu @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:04 am

Canada's respect for native culture is a sham.

Keep in mind, alot of the time our government wants to keep minorities down, it helps them keep control.

In the midst of a major Doctor's shortage we have plenty of immigrant doctors who mysteriouly don't qualify, what the hell is that about?

Oh wait, I know what that's about, it's about racism, Liberal style. The type that targets minority groups, claiming they need to be coddled, claiming they aren't capable of taking care of themselves and must rely on social assistance, and equal opportunity program otherwise they wouldn't be able to get by or get a job, when in fact there are very many succesful immigrants/minority groups who do not require this assistance.

What does the government do with the one's that are qualified and able? Well, immigrant Engineers end up working as cabbies, and doctors who happen to be in a visible minority go unhired by our own state run healthcare system!!! Astonishing!

This is no different than the gov'ts ploy to keep the natives down, no different!!

   



-Mario- @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:05 am

It is something to go to a reserve and see how they live... It is something else to live next to them, and see how they put themself there. Most of them have no drive. They built that "Shanty town". Now they have to get up, take a hammer and rebuild it.

It is not up to our government to help them, it is up to them... Its that welfare mentality.... blame everybody except yourself.

   



PJB @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:05 am

Nugga-Nu. I tend to question which reserves you have been to. I have seen reserves that are amongst the wealthiest parts of the country. I have seen the homes of the Chief and many council members that are huge and the homes of the others being small and delapitated. Federal money goes to these reserves for funding and it is basically squandered by corrupt Chiefs and councils.

Natives cannot own their own property on reserve as it would take the power away from the Chiefs. The bands own the lands and control who gets what is given to the Chiefs.

The forced segregation that you claim is not by non-natives it is by the native leaders themselves.

   



-Mario- @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:11 am

I have an ex-coworker... Native... who decide to move and live on the reserve. The tax free was the deciding factor. Once the House was completed, he was denied access to the reserve (and his new home). The Concil took it and sold it.
His wife wasn't native and welcome on the Reserve.

Don't beleive every thing the media reports.

   



Nugga_Nu @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:14 am

PJB PJB:
Nugga-Nu. I tend to question which reserves you have been to. I have seen reserves that are amongst the wealthiest parts of the country. I have seen the homes of the Chief and many council members that are huge and the homes of the others being small and delapitated. Federal money goes to these reserves for funding and it is basically squandered by corrupt Chiefs and councils.

Natives cannot own their own property on reserve as it would take the power away from the Chiefs. The bands own the lands and control who gets what is given to the Chiefs.

The forced segregation that you claim is not by non-natives it is by the native leaders themselves.


Yes, the Chiefs and the council are 100% corrupt, I agree! The Chiefs and council are in bed with the government and conspire with the gov't in order to keep their own people down!!!

In return they are allowed to live high in the hog.

Ipperwash comes to mind. Remember, the one where Dudley George was murdered by the state?

Any Stalinist/Communist regime will work first to corrupt those that hold the most influence upon a certain group, so that it will be easier to control them. This is the first step in establishing a police state. Then they take away the guns!

It's no secret that these chiefs are also sympathetic to the likes of Hitler, as our friend out west so recently revealed!

   



PJB @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:23 am

Nugga-nu...Do you remember Oka? Where natives had their little party with the quebec cops..Killing one. Have you been to western Canada where the blockade of highways is the method of choice for natives? Here in Saskatchewan we have four native-run Casinos that are totally ignoring a Provincial smoking ban simply because they are under federal jurisdiction.

Life it the big TO is a tad bit different from the real world. Natives have access to free post-secondary education while I am attempting to save money so my kids can go to school all the time paying taxes that fund these reserves.

   



-Mario- @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:24 am

If any Stalinist/Communist regime exist... they do it to themselves... try their police... the "peace keepers".

Allow the RCMP to get in there and do some arrest before we face another OKA crises.

   



Regina @ Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:27 am

Nugga_Nu Nugga_Nu:
Regina Regina:
Herd them into shanty towns?? Where and when did this happen? Natives are free to live on or off the reserves.

"It's classic socialism teetering on Stalinism/Communism."
Care to give a specific example where you've seen this before and how it directly relates to this?


Free to? Yes. Able to? Not for the most part, and it's not their fault.

Ever visit a reserve and see the sad state of them? Shanty town is only one of the adjectives that comes to mind, and again, I don't blame them at all, this is all part of social engineering like that which we have in Canada that merely breeds poverty.

Yeah, let's just keep our heads in the sand as to what's really happening. Why have we enforced segregation of one element of society and why do we keep it segregated (for the most part) under the guise of PCness?

As for my reference to Stalinism/Communism, where have you been for the last 80 years under a rock? See what's left of Russia and it's satellite states, see Cambodia. It's all very similar albeit on a grander scale than what goes on in the soft dictatorship known as modern day Canada.


Yes I've been to many reserves....if you read anything from above. Some are beat to a pulp by the owners, others are not. I've also been to many that have granite counters that would be the envy most. Pointing out the worst and ignoring the best is disingenuous. Who do you blame?

Enforced segregation? What planet do you live on and what exactly is "for the most part"?

Cambodia? Satellite states?? You're going to have to be more specific. Why don't you just throw your hand out in front of you and say "it's just like over there.....somewhere?" :roll:

   



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