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Fairly applied to Mulroney? Mulroney left the Conservatives with two seats. His big wheeling dealing despite the huge deficit was threatening the country and that was the consequence.

Harper spent the surplus. I think he had to do it, given that the Dion Liberals would have made attractive promises on the basis of the surplus. So he really did what he had to do. The debt is reduced by growth and inflation so he was still taking care of that at the same time.

Oh don't give me that crap. Mulroney was voted out but he either gets called a Liberal in disguise, forgiven because of economic concerns, or considered a downright economic genius for not really really putting us into debt like the Liberals would have.

You are doing the same thing. Harper had to spend the surplus. He had to do it because those big bad nasty Liberals (the ones who fully costed their platform)might have spent it on paying down the debt or providing healthcare.

You can't even have Harper take responsibility for his own budget without somehow heaping blame on the Liberals. He had to eh? Dion was controlling him by remote control?

The debt is not being reduced by growth and inflation when you add 30 or 40 billion to it.

This goes back to his fiscal polices of 06 and beyond. Thats why everybody said cutting the GST was a bad move economically even if it was a good move politically. We would have had a larger surplus and less debt had he done his job properly because every economist in the world was saying that the good times can't last and the hints were there back then. He knew this seeing as he himself is a trained economist. He knew and just didn't care enough in his quest for power. He spent big to win an election. He sent us to an early election against his own law because he thought he could win a majority. He is sending us to another election in a year because he couldn't govern within his mandate. He pissed away another billion in various costs just playing political games with military purchases alone.

Sure tax cuts are good but in the end Canadians expect services within a budget. We expect our leaders to govern effectively and Harper has failed miserably. Sure everybody touts how great tax cuts are and claim "nothing wrong with the govt giving us back our money". Of course few realizes that its not our money until we have paid for the services the govt provides. Things like road works, policing, education, healthcare, military, administration abroad in embassies, etc.

I suppose if Harper simply eliminated all taxes and doubled spending you'd think it smart right? I mean nobody pays taxes which should spur the economy and everybody gets better services. Whats wrong with that? An extreme example yes but thats the logic behind people supporting Harpers tax cut policies instead of doing the right thing fiscally back when he had a chance.

Is Harper responsible for the economy? No. He is responsible for setting tax policies which affect the bottom line. He is responsible for spending policies regardless of what the other parties wanted done. He is responsible for a 30 to 40 billion dollar deficit.

He is responsible for his own governments policies or else he is free to step aside and let somebody govern who will take responsibility.

Oh don't give me that crap. Mulroney was voted out but he either gets called a Liberal in disguise, forgiven because of economic concerns, or considered a downright economic genius for not really really putting us into debt like the Liberals would have.

You are doing the same thing. Harper had to spend the surplus. He had to do it because those big bad nasty Liberals (the ones who fully costed their platform)might have spent it on paying down the debt or providing healthcare.

You can't even have Harper take responsibility for his own budget without somehow heaping blame on the Liberals. He had to eh? Dion was controlling him by remote control?

The debt is not being reduced by growth and inflation when you add 30 or 40 billion to it.

This goes back to his fiscal polices of 06 and beyond. Thats why everybody said cutting the GST was a bad move economically even if it was a good move politically. We would have had a larger surplus and less debt had he done his job properly because every economist in the world was saying that the good times can't last and the hints were there back then. He knew this seeing as he himself is a trained economist. He knew and just didn't care enough in his quest for power. He spent big to win an election. He sent us to an early election against his own law because he thought he could win a majority. He is sending us to another election in a year because he couldn't govern within his mandate. He pissed away another billion in various costs just playing political games with military purchases alone.

Sure tax cuts are good but in the end Canadians expect services within a budget. We expect our leaders to govern effectively and Harper has failed miserably. Sure everybody touts how great tax cuts are and claim "nothing wrong with the govt giving us back our money". Of course few realizes that its not our money until we have paid for the services the govt provides. Things like road works, policing, education, healthcare, military, administration abroad in embassies, etc.

I suppose if Harper simply eliminated all taxes and doubled spending you'd think it smart right? I mean nobody pays taxes which should spur the economy and everybody gets better services. Whats wrong with that? An extreme example yes but thats the logic behind people supporting Harpers tax cut policies instead of doing the right thing fiscally back when he had a chance.

Is Harper responsible for the economy? No. He is responsible for setting tax policies which affect the bottom line. He is responsible for spending policies regardless of what the other parties wanted done. He is responsible for a 30 to 40 billion dollar deficit.

He is responsible for his own governments policies or else he is free to step aside and let somebody govern who will take responsibility.

Mention was also made in the Toronto Star that Flaherty is still floating the Conservative tax cut approach, despite the fact that in the U.S. a tax cut stimulus only resulted in 10 cents out of every dollar actually being spent in the economy. The rest was used to reduce personal debt.

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

Sure thing bud, Harper is responsible for the world downturn.

No but he is responsible for his tax polices which set the stage including an ill thought out GST cut done for political reasons.

Its funny how Trudeau epitomized a "tax and spend" liberal running a welfare state, a description that did not get fairly applied to Mulroney. Enter Chretien who was responsible for the entire deficit the moment he took office. Bitched at for running surpluses which he applied to the debt every year allowing us to be far better off then we would have been.

Now Harper and his polices have lost the budget over 40 billion going from a 14 billion surplus to a 30+ billion deficit and according to labour stats, the recession hasn't really hit Canada yet due to lag time.

Of course none of this is Harpers fault. Nothing is ever the fault of the conservatives as they blame everything on everybody else.

RIIGGGHTT

'revenue neutral'

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RIIGGGHTT

'revenue neutral'

riiighhhhtttt

remember Ruez, Harper's budget was not what "we" (aka Derby) wanted.

He still can't get past the 'he' isn't the government and he lost the election.

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