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In the same breathe you claim I can't get past that the Libs aren't in charge yet pass the buck on the budget to the coalition parties because "its what they wanted".

   

Of course, he's the PM its his budget. However he's doing exactly what he thinks will get the Liberals and NDP to support his budget. I'm sure it would be a different story if he had about 6 more seats.

   

of course budgets are the "governments" whom do you think would make them? My point is Harper IS reaching out. I saw his news conference calling on all parties to sit down and discuss what 'their' priorities are.

What is pathetic is how you are getting what you asked for but are not man enough to accept it and stand behind it. To me this sounds more like your setting up for the typical 'opposition for the sake of it' position. If you have no say in the budget you can shit all over it. Well that isn't going to wash this time, he has extended his hand on more than one occasion after the attempted coup. Are the liberals up to it or not?

You can't have it both ways.

   

no one is passing the buck. And I never claimed this will be a 'bad' budget. I merely point out the fact that the liberals wanted to pump 30 billion into the economy and go into deficit. That is what appears to be the situation. Hence, the liberals are getting what they wanted.

understand now?

ps I see we are back to name calling are we?

   

   

What a load of BS. He spent his entire tenure playing political games, spurning all attempts to work with, and made no attempt to work with anybody yet somehow this budget is about "reaching out".

Crap. This budget is about giving what he thinks will win him the most votes.

You guys just can't stand it that Harper might have to accept responsibility for screwing this country right into a 40 billion dollar deficit so you blame everybody else for "forcing it on Harper" or claiming its what they wanted.

Thats why Iggy's talking about restoring the GST cuts, to avoid a massive deficit. Thats why Layton was supporting repealing corporate tax cuts, to pay for the spending. Dion had his carbon tax too. All the other parties had plans to avoid this. Not Harper. He wanted the political capital of only having tax cuts and because of that we are in massive deficit again.

He bears responsibility because its his policies that did it. His decision concerning tax cuts dug this whole and the voters will judge him for his deficit.

   

You started it by calling me "Dirby".

The Liberals wanted to pump in money yes but they costed their platform and both them and the NDP had measures to avoid massive deficit.

   

mtbrs usual contribution:

{look how cute his dress is!)

   

I like Harpers budgets, I think what he has done is great so I do accept responsibility for them because I support them.

And please don't highlight any attempt by the liberals to avoid a massive deficit, that is plain BS. The party was screaming about how we needed a massive infusion to stimulate the economy. That money comes from where? Your revenue neutral carbon tax??

   

I went back and fixed that Derby, it was honestly unintentional. A slip of the finger as my brains runs faster than my hands.

The finance minister also stated that and deficits would also be budgeted and likely have a sunset clause.

So what then? only the liberals can ok a deficit is that what your point is then?

   

No he isn't. This budget is designed to win votes. The budget doesn't take into account any measure designed to avoid massive deficit. harper is responding with a stimulus package because thats what the public wants not because thats what the other parties want.

Of course he needs their support. He dropped a load in his shorts 3 times when he saw just how close he came to losing the govt and it forced him to reconsider.

The bottom line is the deficit is entirely his responsibility. You guys can't hold the Liberals entirely responsible for everything they did (including Martins minority) without accepting it yourselves.

   

thats sounds to me a bit like pot, it's me kettle

u black!

   

I can accept that and edited mine.

The Liberals were held accountable for their budgets. They didn't pass the buck. The only time thats acceptable is when you take over early in the year and the budget is actually last years bottom line.

   

1) Yes they did. They fully costed their platform. You may not think it would work but nonetheless it was fully costed.

2) Without allowing them to implement it all you can do is speculate. The fact is that Harper is running a massive deficit. Harper and his supporters were screaming that everybodies platform but their was a deficit magnet. The opposite was true.

3) If you think the Liberals will run a huge deficit then no problem. We'll just let them run the govt and find out for sure.

   

I read the article in the Globe and Mail about the news conference that the Chief Economists from the five big banks had about the stimulus package. They said that temporary tax cuts result in only 10% being directed into spending but permanent tax cuts are an entirely different matter. If you can follow their logic you are Gunga Din.

I asked around and people told me they are just going to throw money at the problem.

   

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