Day Care Problems
The liberal solution was going to dump millions into an institutionalize childcare system that I don't use. I don't want my son in a daycare. i don't want my son to be mono-cultured in a room full of children the same age. A system run by union tainted attitudes, and bureaucratic managers.
My son goes to a day home, where the lady is a nurse that wants to stay home with her own kids. I want him to be in a home where there are children both older and younger than him. I want him to be in a home, when 'grandma' drops by for a visit.
$1:
re: healthy breakfasts. It's a fact that kids do better in school if they've had a nutritious breakfast. We therefore have 2 choices - we can make sure kids eat well enough to get better grades, or we can tell them to pound sand, thus ensuring we have another round of poorly educated minimum wage earners for at least another generation.
You'd know more about this than i would Lily, are there still schools that don't at least have a morning toast program for kids that come to school without breakfest ? The NDP is wanting the Gov to make kids eat their fruits and veges. If the parents can't do that, i can't see the Gov doing it. When a kid walks out of school at lunch time, most chuck the Apple or Orange that's in their bag lunch. The way i read it, this is more about fat kids than hunger kids.
hwacker @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:17 pm
lily lily:
Actually.... I do want the government to help those who need it. I don't like universal daycare - I'd rather see the money go where it will help the most.
People need education and job experience to get ahead, something they can't do if daycare costs more than they earn.
Funny my grandmother had 13 kids, I don't remember any bitching like that.
and she never worked.
hwacker @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:38 pm
lily lily:
hwacker...
Sadly, the world is a different place from the one our grandparents lived in. Well, your grandparents... my great-grandparents.
You're right the world was flat back then.
lily lily:
Aging_Redneck...
I've said repeatedly I didn't like the Liberal plan, but nor do I like Harper's plan of handing out $100 cheques to those with kids under 6. If any money is going to be handed out, I'd prefer to see it go to those who need it.
Lilly, I don't think I've ever been so mad at you before.
Do you remember seeing a T1 tax form before the liberals hacked and slashed it? I worked as an income tax preparer in the early 1990s and I remember seeing seeing several different for credits that were child related. They don't exist anymore.
The liberals took this away from me, and by doing so they took it away from my son.
I need the $100 dollars.
[redneck] Anyone that suggests otherwise can go #### themselves. [/redneck]
Well, I don't always need that last hundred dollars that I worked hard for last week.
Maybe we should create a bureaucracy that can make better spending decisions than me. And, its of the most importance, to use my $100 dollars to fund every bleeding heart cause. Somehow, my $100 is more important to existance of canadian social programs, than the millions in surpluses that still exist even when I get to keep my $100.
It gets government into the business of raising children, a responsibility that currently falls upon families, which fall firmly within society's private sphere.
SJ-24 @ Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:46 am
I still don't think it's the governments responsibility to babysit your children. If you are capable of making them, you had best consider the side effects of doing it. I think the Liberals taught our society how to be dependent on them to a point of creating a communist/socialist ideology instead of a liberal ideology. Does anyone here remember who the original Liberals were and what their policy ideology was. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't anything to do with current Chretien...I mean Dion mob.
One other question. Thirteen years in power and when did they start talking about the daycare program? And when did it get put in place? And are they still talking about it, or are they ignoring it in favour of the Environment? I guess it's just not as important as getting back in where they can continue doing nothing but collect a big paycheques and beating up people who don't agree with their policies. The only people who win are the PR firms and backseat backers you and I will never learn about. The liberals are dirty and for you folks to allow them back sends the wrong message to our children. It teaches them that corruption is ok and if you get invilved you can get away with anything. And before you tell me I'm wrong, tell me who actually went to jail from the Liberal Party for the sponsorship scandal...Besides Chuck?
I don't have children but I think there is some abuse going on here. The nanny programs are largely insurance. You pay for them. They are also subsidies to the proletariat, which typically includes some family and friends. The proletariat can have children partly because of the nanny programs. There may not be day care programs but the CPP, OAS and etc. take care of your life costs enabling family formation. I don't have an opinion of day care and read other people's posts but there is this pervasive taking for granted of these expensive social benefits.
SJ-24 SJ-24:
I still don't think it's the governments responsibility to babysit your children. If you are capable of making them, you had best consider the side effects of doing it. I think the Liberals taught our society how to be dependent on them to a point of creating a communist/socialist ideology instead of a liberal ideology. Does anyone here remember who the original Liberals were and what their policy ideology was. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't anything to do with current Chretien...I mean Dion mob.
One other question. Thirteen years in power and when did they start talking about the daycare program? And when did it get put in place? And are they still talking about it, or are they ignoring it in favour of the Environment? I guess it's just not as important as getting back in where they can continue doing nothing but collect a big paycheques and beating up people who don't agree with their policies. The only people who win are the PR firms and backseat backers you and I will never learn about. The liberals are dirty and for you folks to allow them back sends the wrong message to our children. It teaches them that corruption is ok and if you get invilved you can get away with anything. And before you tell me I'm wrong, tell me who actually went to jail from the Liberal Party for the sponsorship scandal...Besides Chuck?
Well said.
I have 3 children under 5 years old. My wife stays at home with our kids and I run my own business. When we decided to have children, we sat down and looked at how it would impact us financially and it was clear we could manage. We had a bit of a shock when we had twins, but it worked out just fine.
My children are MY responsibility. Not Canada's, not Ontario's. It's my job to provide for them, put food on their plates and guide them in the right direction.
We have to stop moving parenting into the classroom and the burden of being a parent onto the taxpayer. Stand up and take responsibility or don't have kids!
lily lily:
So.... are you cashing the $300 Harper sends you every month?
Actually, I only get $100 as the twins are only 4 months old and their checks don't come yet.
No, I don't cash them. I throw them in the garbage.
SJ-24 @ Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:31 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
SJ-24 SJ-24:
I still don't think it's the governments responsibility to babysit your children. If you are capable of making them, you had best consider the side effects of doing it. I think the Liberals taught our society how to be dependent on them to a point of creating a communist/socialist ideology instead of a liberal ideology. Does anyone here remember who the original Liberals were and what their policy ideology was. I'll give you a hint. It wasn't anything to do with current Chretien...I mean Dion mob.
One other question. Thirteen years in power and when did they start talking about the daycare program? And when did it get put in place? And are they still talking about it, or are they ignoring it in favour of the Environment? I guess it's just not as important as getting back in where they can continue doing nothing but collect a big paycheques and beating up people who don't agree with their policies. The only people who win are the PR firms and backseat backers you and I will never learn about. The liberals are dirty and for you folks to allow them back sends the wrong message to our children. It teaches them that corruption is ok and if you get invilved you can get away with anything. And before you tell me I'm wrong, tell me who actually went to jail from the Liberal Party for the sponsorship scandal...Besides Chuck?
Well said.
I have 3 children under 5 years old. My wife stays at home with our kids and I run my own business. When we decided to have children, we sat down and looked at how it would impact us financially and it was clear we could manage. We had a bit of a shock when we had twins, but it worked out just fine.
My children are MY responsibility. Not Canada's, not Ontario's. It's my job to provide for them, put food on their plates and guide them in the right direction.
We have to stop moving parenting into the classroom and the burden of being a parent onto the taxpayer. Stand up and take responsibility or don't have kids!
This is where things get ugly. you see, most Liberals fuck now and worry about the after effects later...then expect you and I to support their sexual habits. Taking responsibility is what liberals are best at avoiding. you just have to look at the sponsorship scandal to see what I'm talking about. Chretien played with his balls on the stand and then told us we were wrong for asking who did it. He even went to court to get himslef out of testifying. He was only doing what he wants all Liberals to do. Avoid responsibility at all costs and pass the buck to someone else. I'm just surprised he didn't create evidence that made Harper look guilty....It's not to late Jean, you can do anything, you're the godfather of political irresponsibility!
Only Conservatives stand up and admit when things go wrong. This proves that Conservatives are the honest leaders and Liberal leaders are liers and should never be trusted with our money.
lily lily:
That's good. It's heartening to see someone who actually practices what he preaches.
$1:
My children are MY responsibility. Not Canada's, not Ontario's. It's my job to provide for them, put food on their plates and guide them in the right direction.
We have to stop moving parenting into the classroom and the burden of being a parent onto the taxpayer. Stand up and take responsibility or don't have kids!
It's time to call a spade a spade, lily. The fact is that people's tax dollars are supposed to belong to them, not the government. If OnTheIce cashes his tax rebate cheque, repaid to him from his taxes, which he earns, that is none of your business.
SJ-24 SJ-24:
This is where things get ugly. you see, most Liberals fuck now and worry about the after effects later...then expect you and I to support their sexual habits.
SJ, this issue has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with how we as a society will raise our children. Those who support government day cae believe that day care and early education programs help give children a "head start" in life.
However, it is a simple fact that the government has no place in the raising of children, except in exceptional circumstances. That is better left to families. If the government wants to help people with daycare and early education for their children, it is best to do so by providing them with the opportunities to do so, and the option to choose what they think is best for them, as the Conservative party has done with its tax credit -- although a program that would help open new day cares would be a plus.
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
lily lily:
That's good. It's heartening to see someone who actually practices what he preaches.
$1:
My children are MY responsibility. Not Canada's, not Ontario's. It's my job to provide for them, put food on their plates and guide them in the right direction.
We have to stop moving parenting into the classroom and the burden of being a parent onto the taxpayer. Stand up and take responsibility or don't have kids!
It's time to call a spade a spade, lily. The fact is that people's tax dollars are supposed to belong to them, not the government. If OnTheIce cashes his tax rebate cheque, repaid to him from his taxes, which he earns, that is none of your business.
I pay an obsene amount of income tax and close to $4000 a year in property tax. If the government wants to give me $100 a month, cool.
I put the money back into the economy anyways. We put my son in a program at the YMCA to get him ready for school.