Election set for October 14
ziggy @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:58 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
kettal kettal:
Canadian energy consumption is nowhere near base levels. In fact it is the highest in the world. Case in point: Ontario residents use 30% more energy than New York State residents, and they're a stone throw away from each other.
Trust me, there's certainly enough suburbanites in this country who warm up the GMC Yukon to get a drink from the Starbucks around the corner. We have a long way to go to make our country more efficient, and it will be for our better health, too.
Trust me, there's certainly enough suburbanites in this country who warm up the GMC Yukon to get a drink from the Starbucks around the corner. We have a long way to go to make our country more efficient, and it will be for our better health, too.
And your point? I won't being voting Liberal just to take a shot at SUV driving suburbanites at my own detriment.
The Carbon Tax doesn't just apply to SUV drivers you know or heavy energy consumers you know... even those living efficient lifestyles will see increases in their bills.
Right at the bottom of the invoice book next to the GST# will be; Carbon tax-5%
Dont think Albertans who are working to keep the ROC in heat will take this on the cuff,it will be passed down the line untill every last consumer feels the pinch.
Most Albertans in the energy industry are also on their own contracting out,unions dont have much of a place here.
This carbon tax has to be one of the liberals dumbest ideas to spread the wealth and I hope the threat of mega tax's scares the bejeesus out of all voters as the poor guy doesnt even have a clue what his C.tax will be all about except he's talking rebates now....thats the last thing I want to see the Lib's in charge of is rebates.
saturn_656 @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:21 pm
kettal kettal:
Again. Economics. You have to spend money to save money. If the modifications pay themselves off in one year, that means that in year two, year three, year four, etc. you are making money from your upgrade.
But hey, if you like to do nothing that's perfectly okay. I suppose when you have a leak in your roof, you just leave it to grow into a bigger and bigger hole because it will cost too much to fix it today. And when your car has a punctured tire, you probably don't repair it because that's an expensive luxury and you only consider short-term economics.
I walked to school every day that I was a student, and I somehow survived it, so I don't see why today's children need to be taxied one-by-one to school by mommy. Yes, this is an example of discretionary spending.
I'm not angry at people who drive everywhere (despite that it makes them unhealthy and obese), but believe it or not, many auto trips are indeed discretionary. I'm not angry, I'm just showing you examples of how far away Canadians are from being wise with energy usage.
But hey, if you like to do nothing that's perfectly okay. I suppose when you have a leak in your roof, you just leave it to grow into a bigger and bigger hole because it will cost too much to fix it today. And when your car has a punctured tire, you probably don't repair it because that's an expensive luxury and you only consider short-term economics.
I walked to school every day that I was a student, and I somehow survived it, so I don't see why today's children need to be taxied one-by-one to school by mommy. Yes, this is an example of discretionary spending.
I'm not angry at people who drive everywhere (despite that it makes them unhealthy and obese), but believe it or not, many auto trips are indeed discretionary. I'm not angry, I'm just showing you examples of how far away Canadians are from being wise with energy usage.
Spend money to save money? Okay Mr. McBottomless Pockets I'll just bury myself further in debt to pay for all these improvements just so my energy bills won't increase (as much), because we are not all as lucky as some folks to have a 10 grand sitting in a bank account they can use at their discretion.
You're speaking theory here and I am speaking real life. You're talking about "economics" while I'm talking about trying to make ends meet. I'm looking at this from the viewpoint of a middle class taxpayer, not a disinterested third party.
Have you graduated to the real world of taxes and bills yet or still going to college?
kettal @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:27 pm
It's only one example. Businesses will take advantage of this, not just families.
In our ordinary lives, I'm saying there are plenty of changes we can make to take advantage of saving carbon taxes. Most of them are a lot less drastic than my example. Almost everybody stands to save by using discretion in their consumption. Unless you are one of those people who already are near base consumption (as you seem to claim). In that case you will be saving money from day one.
A year ago, I got a $10,000 virtual raise. The lease expired on my car and I have been commuting via train and bike instead. I have saved all this money from gas, car maintenance, insurance, lease payments and parking.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank. 
Robair @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:56 pm
Scape Scape:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
I wouldn't find a unelected official overruling our democratically elected government very funny...
I'd expect the powers of the GG post to be re-evaluated after such an event.
I'd expect the powers of the GG post to be re-evaluated after such an event.
Actually, that is the duty of the GG. The State does not answer to the Government. It answers to the Crown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_Affair
Pretty much a Fait de Complété at this point but if she did tell them no on what grounds could she refuse and have it stick? Your faking it, I don't buy that you can't get along now get back to work?
What about the fixed election date law that Harper himself had passed?? Could the GG point to that and give Harper a "What the hell?"?
saturn_656 @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:46 pm
kettal kettal:
Almost everybody stands to save by using discretion in their consumption. Unless you are one of those people who already are near base consumption (as you seem to claim). In that case you will be saving money from day one.
Provided the proposed income tax cuts compensate for the increased prices I will be paying for hydro, gas, food, etc. I am not convinced that is true.
The income tax cut Dion has offered to middle class earners is not enough to win me over.
kettal kettal:
A year ago, I got a $10,000 virtual raise. The lease expired on my car and I have been commuting via train and bike instead. I have saved all this money from gas, car maintenance, insurance, lease payments and parking.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
Well up here in rural Northwestern Ontario, this is about the only form of public transportation...
ziggy @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:58 pm
kettal kettal:
It's only one example. Businesses will take advantage of this, not just families.
In our ordinary lives, I'm saying there are plenty of changes we can make to take advantage of saving carbon taxes. Most of them are a lot less drastic than my example. Almost everybody stands to save by using discretion in their consumption. Unless you are one of those people who already are near base consumption (as you seem to claim). In that case you will be saving money from day one.
A year ago, I got a $10,000 virtual raise. The lease expired on my car and I have been commuting via train and bike instead. I have saved all this money from gas, car maintenance, insurance, lease payments and parking.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
In our ordinary lives, I'm saying there are plenty of changes we can make to take advantage of saving carbon taxes. Most of them are a lot less drastic than my example. Almost everybody stands to save by using discretion in their consumption. Unless you are one of those people who already are near base consumption (as you seem to claim). In that case you will be saving money from day one.
A year ago, I got a $10,000 virtual raise. The lease expired on my car and I have been commuting via train and bike instead. I have saved all this money from gas, car maintenance, insurance, lease payments and parking.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
Get out,see how we in the west have to commute hundreds of miles to make this energy windfall happen.
We dont all live in city's like you seem to think,the people drilling the holes for the gas wells to heat your homes probably dont see their home's for months.
Such ignorance from the rest of Canada,or is it more of a screw Alberta thing? Sure looks that way,cant wait for it to backfire on youse.
Then all the easterners will have to go back home and I wonder who's going to shell out for the stamps then?
mtbr @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:06 pm
It's interesting how Ontarians always remind us how they provided the cash flow to Alberta in it's infancy and how Alberta is only just now returning the favor. But yet they want to vote Liberal and kill the golden goose. ![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?"){kind=icon}
Zipperfish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:09 pm
mtbr mtbr:
It's interesting how Ontarians always remind us how they provided the cash flow to Alberta in it's infancy and how Alberta is only just now returning the favor. But yet they want to vote Liberal and kill the golden goose.
Keep your Alberta mouth shut and just keep shovelling over the money.
mtbr @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:10 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
mtbr mtbr:
It's interesting how Ontarians always remind us how they provided the cash flow to Alberta in it's infancy and how Alberta is only just now returning the favor. But yet they want to vote Liberal and kill the golden goose.
Keep your Alberta mouth shut and just keep shovelling over the money.
No problem just keep the feds out of Alberta especially the red ones.
Zipperfish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:14 pm
mtbr mtbr:
No problem just keep the feds out of Alberta especially the red ones.
Please elaborate mtbr. We're all so interested in what you think.
ziggy @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:17 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
mtbr mtbr:
It's interesting how Ontarians always remind us how they provided the cash flow to Alberta in it's infancy and how Alberta is only just now returning the favor. But yet they want to vote Liberal and kill the golden goose.
Keep your Alberta mouth shut and just keep shovelling over the money.
We cant shut off the valves....but we can have a few unscheduled compressor station retrofits and upgrades.
Then you can go start cutting wood to heat your home,or hit up the libs for a rebate on that new pellet stove.
We wont stand for another NEP style program,get that thought out of your head.
Zipperfish @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:36 pm
ziggy ziggy:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
mtbr mtbr:
It's interesting how Ontarians always remind us how they provided the cash flow to Alberta in it's infancy and how Alberta is only just now returning the favor. But yet they want to vote Liberal and kill the golden goose.
Keep your Alberta mouth shut and just keep shovelling over the money.
We cant shut off the valves....but we can have a few unscheduled compressor station retrofits and upgrades.
Then you can go start cutting wood to heat your home,or hit up the libs for a rebate on that new pellet stove.
We wont stand for another NEP style program,get that thought out of your head.
You'll take the NEP up the pooper just like last time, and you'll like it. I'm in BC--land of Hydro, where sell to ebergy to Alberta all day for a dollar adn buy it back all night for a dime.
kettal @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:50 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
kettal kettal:
Almost everybody stands to save by using discretion in their consumption. Unless you are one of those people who already are near base consumption (as you seem to claim). In that case you will be saving money from day one.
Provided the proposed income tax cuts compensate for the increased prices I will be paying for hydro, gas, food, etc. I am not convinced that is true.
The income tax cut Dion has offered to middle class earners is not enough to win me over.
kettal kettal:
A year ago, I got a $10,000 virtual raise. The lease expired on my car and I have been commuting via train and bike instead. I have saved all this money from gas, car maintenance, insurance, lease payments and parking.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
Just in case you were wondering why I have 10 grand sitting in the bank.
Well up here in rural Northwestern Ontario, this is about the only form of public transportation...
That's why there is an additional credit for rural residents.
But the population of Canada is overwhelmingly and increasingly urban, as I am sure you already know.
djakeydd @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:55 pm
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
Harper is manipulating the election date for cheap, short term political gain. It's exactly the rationale he gave for setting fixed election dates, except back then he was whinging about Liberal election timing. He is breaking the spirit, if not the letter, of his own law. It's cynical to the point of absurdity and strongly hints that Harper is hiding something.
So that leaves a few questions.
1. How cynical are Conservatives?
2. Why do they feel they are above the law?
3. What's Harper hiding?
So that leaves a few questions.
1. How cynical are Conservatives?
2. Why do they feel they are above the law?
3. What's Harper hiding?
Harper has been a bushco wannabe from day one. I think the two of them spent some time on brokeback mountain and they harbor romantic aspirations. The cons think that they are above the law after watching bushco steal back to back elections, they want to live the same fantasy. And remember - its for our own good. So vote con, its for your own good - dammit.
saturn_656 @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:56 pm
kettal kettal:
That's why there is an additional credit for rural residents.
Which is a pittance... like the income tax cut.
kettal kettal:
But the population of Canada is overwhelmingly and increasingly urban, as I am sure you already know.
Yeah, screw rural Canadians, we don't matter right? As long as a suits the city dwellers its cool.
I'm sick of that attitude, the Ontario provincial government displays it way too often.