Canada Kicks Ass
Gay marriage galvanizes Canada's religious right

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dubyah @ Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:04 pm

By Christopher Mason
The New York Times

It was a lonely time here in the capital for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada in the early days of the gay marriage debate in 2003. Of the scattered conservative Christian groups opposed to extending marriage rights to same-sex couples, it was the only one with a full-time office in Ottawa to lobby politicians. "We were the only ones here," said Janet Epp Buckingham, who was the group's public policy director then. But that was before the legislation passed in 2005 allowing gay marriage in Canada. And before the election early this year of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a Conservative and an evangelical Christian who frequently caps his speeches with "God bless Canada."

Today across the country, the gay marriage issue and Harper's election have galvanized conservative Christian groups to enter politics like never before. Before now, the Christian right was not a political force in this mostly secular, liberal country. But it is coalescing with new clout and credibility, similar to the evangelical Christian movement in the United States in the 1980s, though not nearly on the same scale. Today, half a dozen organizations like the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada work full time in Ottawa, four of which opened offices in the past year, all seeking to reverse the law allowing gay marriage.

They represent just some of the dozens of well-organized conservative Christian groups around the country and more than a hundred grass-roots campaigns focused on the issue. In recent months, religious groups have held rallies, signed petitions, drafted resolutions and stepped up their efforts to lobby politicians to overturn the law. These Christian conservatives have been instilled with a sense of urgency in the expectation that Harper will follow through on a campaign promise, as early as the first week of December, to hold a vote in Parliament on whether to revisit the gay marriage debate. "With the legalization of gay marriage, faith has been violated and we've been forced to respond," said Charles McVety, a leader of several evangelical Christian organizations that oppose gay marriage and president of the Canada Christian College in Toronto.

"Traditionally people of faith in Canada have not been politically active," he said. "But now we're finally seeing organizations that are professionalizing what was a very amateur political movement." McVety, who recites from memory the decision of an Ontario judge in 2003 that paved the way for gay marriages, has organized dozens of rallies attracting altogether some 200,000 supporters. He asked the Rev. Jerry Falwell and other American evangelical leaders for advice on building a religious movement in Canada and traveled Ontario and Quebec in a red-and-white "Defend Marriage" bus.

Though the expected vote in Parliament will not decide whether to rescind the gay marriage legislation, but instead whether members wish to reopen the issue for debate, it remains significant for the Christian right and the government. For leaders of the Christian right, the vote is a chance to get the marriage issue back on the government's agenda and to get a better sense of where individual politicians, especially newly elected ones, stand. They have adopted that strategy in part because they say that the vote in Parliament will be difficult to win. For Harper and his Conservative Party, the vote is an attempt to appease the religious social conservatives who form the core of the support for his minority government without losing moderate voters who want to avoid the issue.

If Harper appears to be too aggressive in pushing to revisit gay marriage he also risks losing votes in Quebec, where his pro-Israel stance and an environmental plan that does not meet Canada's Kyoto Protocol commitments have already hurt his support in a province that is critical to his chances of securing a majority in the next election. "Harper needs to show he is not the right-wing evangelical's rump if he wants to grow into a majority government," said Jonathan Malloy, a political science professor at Carleton University in Ottawa who studies the politics of evangelical Christians in Canada. Harper's government has not introduced an avalanche of socially conservative measures, but has instead shifted subtly to the right, one policy at a time.

In addition to derailing Liberal measures to loosen marijuana and prostitution laws, Harper has introduced tougher crime legislation, bolstered the military with new money and equipment, lowered the national sales tax and plans to raise the age of sexual consent to 16 from 14. But the Christian right wants more and realizes a lot is at stake in the marriage question. "Let's say there's a vote and the issue dissipates from the agenda in the same way abortion has faded away," Malloy said. "Then they won't have a clear-cut issue they can strongly organize on. They're developing a base here but they need something to organize and keep the funds going."

The Christian movement's leaders are discussing how to sustain the momentum and growth spurred in the campaign against gay marriage. They agree that one issue is not enough to fuel a long-term movement. But they disagree on how to carry the momentum of the marriage campaign into other socially conservative issues like euthanasia and polygamy. Fueling their hopes for sustaining the movement are polling figures from last winter's election that show an identifiable bloc of religious voters, mainly evangelicals and Catholics, supporting the Conservative Party. In a country where church attendance has dropped to about 20 percent of the population from about 60 percent since the 1940s, the Christian right hopes the polling numbers convince politicians there are still enough votes to be won by championing socially conservative issues.

But the experience of Canada's abortion debate in the 1980s and early 90s looms ominously over optimism that the movement can be broadened beyond gay marriage. At the time, evangelical leaders formed groups, raised money and drew significant support in an effort to establish stiff laws against abortion. In 1989, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney introduced legislation banning abortions in cases where the health of the mother was not at risk but the bill failed in the Senate and never became law. Soon after, the evangelical political movement disbanded, remaining relatively dormant until the gay marriage issue arose. "When the abortion legislation died everyone just went home and all the momentum was lost," said Joseph C. Ben-Ami, executive director of the conservative Institute for Canadian Values, which opened an office in Ottawa last year to team up with McVety's organizations in Toronto. "I do worry something like that could happen with what we're seeing now."

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I oppose the redefinition of marriage. Gay relationships have merit and are to be valued by society, but that does not mean that they should be called 'marriages.' There is, arguably, no institution in the west more central to the culture than marriage, and it should not be transformed. Gays should have their relationships and they should use another phrase than 'marriage' to describe those relationships.


Piece be up on you,

W.

   



SJ-24 @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:21 am

I think if some fudge packer wants to marry his lover, so be it. Why should straights be the only one's miserable in a relationship! :roll:

This article is crap. The "right of right" faith based groups are not anything as powerful as the groups in the US. Harper knows that if he was to bring up the issue that the voters would cremate his party. Even as a majority, they wouldn't have the support to stop abortions and ban gay marriage. I'm afraid to say that the people I know in the Conservative movement are more worried about the youth crime rates and economics of Canada, not whether or not Frankie and Ben want to get married. Taking away the right for women to decide for herself about an abortion would be suicide for any politician. The voters would distroy whichever party brought these issues forward...and for far more than just 13 years.

So rest your little heads and don't worry. Not everyone in the Conservative Party considers these issues anything other than a platform for the Liberals to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Mary and Susy and Frankie and Ben are more than welcomed to get married and I'll even provide the wedding march music.... :roll:

   



canuckns @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:52 am

I couldn't care less one way or another if homosexuals want to marry each other. It effects me in no way. Like SJ-24 said "Why should straights be the only ones subject to married life." Let them marry I say.

If the religous right want to "preserve the sanctity of marriage" like they say they do, then they should try and get divorce outlawed. Instead of trying to ban people from getting married.

   



USCAdad @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:12 pm

If the religious don't want gay marriage or divorce, they shouldn't marry someone of the same gender and should just suck up their domestic hell. Of course, that said, I'm still in support of Christians being the only ones that are "married".

   



dubyah @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:54 pm

$1:
So rest your little heads and don't worry. Not everyone in the Conservative Party considers these issues anything other than a platform for the Liberals to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Mary and Susy and Frankie and Ben are more than welcomed to get married and I'll even provide the wedding march music.... Rolling Eyes

-SJ-24

That is interesting; the opposite is true in the US, at least regarding same-sex marriage. In every state that same-sex marriage bans have been on the ballot, even in liberal states, they have passed by wide margins. Same-sex marriage bans bring people to the polls to suppor them.


$1:
I couldn't care less one way or another if homosexuals want to marry each other. It effects me in no way.

-canuckns

So it doesn't affect YOU directly therefore it is not important? This is a very narcissistic attitude. The world does not revolve around you. Not everything that happens in the world is either caused by, or affects, YOU. 9/11 was an attack on America therefore it doesn't matter to Canadians? Redefining "marriage" affects the entire society.

I would love for any "progressive" to directly address one concern without throwing a fit. If same-sex marriage is to be legal, then why should polygamy not be legal? If two men or two women are to be married because "they love eachother," then why should not a threesome also be allowed to marry for the exact same reason?



W.

   



USCAdad @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:07 pm

dubyah dubyah:
I would love for any "progressive" to directly address one concern without throwing a fit. If same-sex marriage is to be legal, then why should polygamy not be legal? If two men or two women are to be married because "they love eachother," then why should not a threesome also be allowed to marry for the exact same reason?

W.

Why would a "progressive" want to argue that? Why should government be given access to relationships, especially the Federal govenment. The States have their own issues. Gay people and women that like sex should move to socially tolerant states or Canada. Theocrats should move to the South.

   



dubyah @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:15 pm

$1:
Why would a "progressive" want to argue that?


Because it would logically follow that if two men are to be married, then so should three men. The "love eachother" afterall.

I love my doggy, Barney.

I do not believe that gays would approve of you telling them to move to what you describe as "socially tolerant states" or a foreign country. What you describe as "theocrats" don't give a rat's ass what you think. They think that you should move to europe, and why not? It is filled with self-hating nihilists just like you!


W.

   



Scape @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:28 pm

dubyah dubyah:
Piece be up on you,

W.

What you describe as "theocrats" don't give a rat's ass what you think. They think that you should move to europe, and why not? It is filled with self-hating nihilists just like you!


W.


Oh yeah, FEEL the piece and love. :roll:

BTW I don't see a huge movement to legalize bestiality or even pedophilia. Perhaps this tempest in a teapot your stirring is just that. If your so interested in marriage why not support it with child tax credits and daycare instead of trying to gaybash and make 2nd class citizens out of hairdressers and interior decorators?

   



dubyah @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:38 pm

Just keep changing the subject. It amuses me.

If two men should be allowed to marry, then why not three?


W.

   



USCAdad @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:46 pm

dubyah dubyah:
$1:
Why would a "progressive" want to argue that?


Because it would logically follow that if two men are to be married, then so should three men. The "love eachother" afterall.

We're stuck in a double negative. I wouldn't want to argue against people making whatever family structures they want. That's beyond the scope of the Federal Government.

$1:
I love my doggy, Barney.

I'm glad. I bet Laura is relieved from the extra duties. :lol:

$1:
I do not believe that gays would approve of you telling them to move to what you describe as "socially tolerant states" or a foreign country. What you describe as "theocrats" don't give a rat's ass what you think. They think that you should move to europe, and why not? It is filled with self-hating nihilists just like you!


I'm sure there are a number of Gay Southerners trying to stem the exodus. Theocrats? Europe? I live in Cascadia. Your daddy used to refer to it as "little Beirut". We have conservatives here but they're supposed to be different than your ilk.... still surprised Cheney has turned into such a neocon... obviously forgot how to shoot as well.

   



dubyah @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:53 pm

$1:
We're stuck in a double negative. I wouldn't want to argue against people making whatever family structures they want


Op op op op op op !!

We are not talking about "family structures..." We are talking about marriage. I agree theoretically that government should have nothing to do with marriage. I am not sure that it would be best for all if it actually had nothing to do with it, however.

If you were dictator of the US and wanted government out of marriage, what would you do about the tax benefits afforded to married couples? the sudden tax-hike would be a shitstorm for many of them.

$1:
I'm sure there are a number of Gay Southerners trying to stem the exodus.


Gays are 2-3% of the populations. Even if every single one of them left, it would still be inappropriate to describe it as an "exodus."


W.

   



USCAdad @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:00 pm

As far as marriage goes, I think it should be saved for Christians and their pastors to pass out. Government should deal with unions. The only tax advantages should be for having children. That shouldn't matter weather you adopted or got nocked up by the gay boy down the street with or without the turkey baster.

   



TattoodGirl @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:09 pm

$1:
If the religous right want to "preserve the sanctity of marriage" like they say they do, then they should try and get divorce outlawed. Instead of trying to ban people from getting married.


WHAT! Outlaw divorce! That would just lead to murder and mayhem..... :lol:

   



SJ-24 @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:57 pm

dubyah, you really need to understand that most Canadians would vote for gay marriage if it meant your President would be so pissed he'd wet his panties! :lol:

   



Scape @ Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:16 pm

dubyah dubyah:
Just keep changing the subject. It amuses me.

If two men should be allowed to marry, then why not three?


W.


Same reason you can't marry your dog or have sex with your sister. If you wish to support the institute of marriage get hitched its that easy. What your doing is making a witch hunt out of being gay. Pensions, visitation rights, wills and estates are all effected adversely by this homophobia your invoking. Oh, but your just focused on the 'marriage' issue right? :roll:

   



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