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How is this private? They are taking it to the courts

I think the point W is making is all it does is open the door for everything. Maybe some of you draw the line at "two people" but others draw it at a man and a woman. Then others will draw it at a couple of men or a couple of women. He is saying for the same argument for homosexuals you could apply to that of bisexuals or polygamists. After all if you think people are born this way then how does a bisexual person have a marriage to one person when they want both? Shouldn’t they therefore have the right to marry another man and a woman so it won’t be discriminatory to them? If the three love each other why would you not be in favour of this?

Even with homosexuality all together I have asked people if they think it is right or wrong most will just say it doesn’t affect me or it is their right but they never seem to be able to answer the question. Probably because most people think it is wrong. The whole idea of a man screwing his buddy is kind of gross. But many won’t say this or many won’t say whether they think it is right for people to do this. So don’t bother W with these people they won’t answer this because you would just prove them wrong or rather prove that for what they criticise you over they do it themselves on such things a polygamy or other sexual preferences.

   

Some people have some dark secrets apparently.

   

Point taken. Do I think it's right? No. Do I think marriage between two people of the same gender right? No. Do I think multiple partners in a marriage is right? No.

However, since I'm not god, I'll shut my mouth and let god decide for him/her self. I learned a long time ago you can't control people and if they feel they want to do something and it's not illegal, so be it. Two guys shoving their dicks up each others ass is not my bag of tea, but as long as I don't have to hear about it, it's their lifes, not mine. Just don't expect me to understand when a flamer gets AIDS. As far as I'm concerned anyone passing on the bug should be charged with murder and hanged properly.

I've had this discussion with my sister who is gay and has been married for about ten years now...not legally, but spirtually. They have no intensions of getting married because they feel marriage is between a man and a woman. God never meant for two people of the same gender to marry or he would have wrote that into the bible instead of specifying a man and a woman.

So, I have two sides to what this issue is all about. Because I don't care, and feel their are far more important issues to address, I'll sit on the side of letting god sort this out...if he exists.

   

It shouldn't be a question of whether you think it's right or wrong. It should be do you think it's right or wrong for you? Who are we to say what is wrong for someone else just because we may not believe it. As long as no one is being harmed in the process then stay out of it. Not that I am pointing fingers at any one person...but comparing the marriage of two consenting adults, that YOU don't approve of, to marrying animals or being cousins is sad. It sounds like these people are grasping for straws. I've heard others try to compare gay rights to pedophile right. Grasping for straws and acting beyond insulting...

If a man and a woman can get married, then a man and a man can, and who knows maybe a man, man, and a woman will one day. Society is becoming more accepting as time goes one. If same-sex marriages were here first then we'd be having this debate over hetero marriages. But heteros came first and though this is our history, that is just it, history. Right now we're on same-sex marriages. Jumping ahead to polygomay is just grasping for straws. Baby steps. Trust me we'll get there. And when we do then it'll be the same thing. You people can't stop the world from changing all you can do is live life to the best you believe. If you never agree then fine. But this world doesn't revolve around you and your opinion. And yelling at people will not solve anything.

If you want someone to answer, here. Do I think same-sex marriages are wrong? No. Are they wrong for me? Yes, I'm straight. Do I think polygomay is wrong? No. Is it wrong for me? Yes. I only love one person, but I can't very well say you are wrong for loving more than one person. Do I have an issue with it being legalized? No. Is an election for it coming up that I know of? NO, not that I know of. There are so many issues in this world to work on. It isn't productive to blurt out things like, "Oh, you think gays can marry. Well, then you must think poligomists can to? Well, do you, do you? Give me an answer now. And if you can't give me one right now it'll prove that you are wrong. All of you are wrong.".... Society is new to gay marriages. Don't use things we haven't yet started to focus on as ways to invalidate us.


As for the word "marriage", if people want to start staking their claim on it, fine. Marriage in the sense of love (cause guess what? The word is used in many different contexts) is a complete union of people in love who want to vow themselves to one another until death do they part. Maybe in history the church has had their claws on the word, but that is history. I do not follow any religion, thus my marriage had nothing to do with the church. So, don't forget when you are "reclaiming" this word for the church you are trying to strip it from more people than just gays. Would you prefer if I only tell people I am "unioned" with my husband. To try and reclaim it for the man and woman reasons alone would invalidate why you are reclaiming it. People who complain that marriage shouldn't be about the govt....then go have a ceremony in your backyard and have a friend marry you. Tell everyone you are married in your eyes. It should only matter to you if you don't care about the legalities.

As for picturing guys doing it as being gross. Personally whenever I picture anyone that is not me and my husband doing it I feel it's kind of gross. I understand that this may be infringing on your freedom to fantasive about any random person at any given time, but there is an easy solution....don't think about things that you are not comfortable with. No body is making you have gay sex.

I think marrying animals, or young children or forcing people to marry is wrong. This becomes a matter of infringing on the others freedoms (even if one is an animal). Animals cannot consent. Thus they should have the same protection as minors. We have legal ages to protect our chidren, if we start debating why we should be able to say our children cannot marry at a young age even if they want to is opening up a ridiculous can of worms. As parents and socciety it is our responsibility to determine what is safe for our children and their futures. And I don't think the majority of society believes underage minors marrying to one another or adults is right. I don't. As for forced marriages. That infringes on that persons right. These things infinge on anothers freedoms and could cause harm to that person. That is why I believe they are wrong. My uncle marrying his lover will bring my no harm just as when the time comes someone I know marrying two people will still bring me no harm. We are entitled to a life that brings us no harm. That's why it is illegal to harm people in most circumstances. I only brought these up because I very well expected someone to throw around more examples of bizarre marriages they determine to be equivilant to same-sex ones and demand why they shouldn't be legal. It seems some people will try and use anything they can think of to invalidate the freedoms of others.
And I'm not even sure why Canada is being targeted because we've only come to accept one, and not the other. Progression (I'm sure many of you will disagree with me using this word, please save me the details) doesn't come at you all at once. Just because someone on this forum says well ya, i think poligomy is wrong but not same-sex, doesn't give anyone the right to jump down their throat. It's their beliefs....get it?? Theirs.

   

The lack of logic in this "debate" is appalling.

Marriage, in THIS culture, has always been one man and one woman. If we are to amend the rules for the sake of gays then we have to amend the rules for the sake of every body and whatever they want to marry.

Who the hell do YOU think YOU are, Proculation, to tell me that I cannot marry a goat? Who the hell gave YOU that power? Since when can ANYONE else judge my relationship with anything? Pffft! I love my goat and my goat loves me. Stay out of our way!!! Our marriage does NOT affect YOU!!!!!!!!

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W.

   

When a goat can talk and give it's consent you may have a case.

   

Beastiality rears its ugly head.

   

Who knew that dominion meant this? And so insensitive to the rural boys just trying to figure the world out. First the Wheat board and now this... what to do?

   

So are you saying that Homosexuals are sexually devient? We do know that the AIDS virus came from the African Green Monkey....So who fucked the monkey...and did they get it on camera?

As for gay marriage.....Whatever. I do think the goat must sign, in English or French, on the marriage certificate and any member of a church or JP to oversees the marriage should be given the right to make a goat stew if the marriage should fail!

   

You sound like such an angry person, but a real lover of goats. Why don't you tell everyone what you want them to say, so you we can just say it and save you before you give your self a hernia. Obviously, we are all idiots that can't constuct any intelligent thoughts. Please, show us the way, Oh mighty and wise one.

Although, I admit I admire your blind determination to win this debate no matter what you have to pull out.

But if you want an answer,



The goat might care, thus it is in the peoples interest to protect that goat. It cannot consent, do you not get this. When people marry they consent. Just because it is an animal doesn't mean you get to bring harm to it and force it to marry you. It is not the same thing. These people are consenting to marriage out of love. It is not infringing on anyones freedoms. Most animals only mate for reproduction. Forcing it to marry you, live in a world that is not it's natural habitat, and carry out other parts of marriage would be torture for it. Actually, isn't it just dolphins and human that mate for pleasure. You are telling us we have no logic behind our debates. What do you call what you are doing? Seriously....

"Since when can ANYONE else judge my relationship with anything? Pffft! I love my goat and my goat loves me."

Can this goat you keep talking about please tell us all it loves you and wants to marry you?? Maybe then we will cave in this debate and vote to let Dubyah fuck the goat.

   

What a wonderful enlightened age we live in! Today you can flip open the Canadian Tire catalogue, point to any item and somebody somewhere wants to sleep with it.

It's a sad commentary on our society that the paraphiliacs and their sympathisers have control of the government, media, courts and education system. If we don't wrestle it back I suspect that the Canada 50 years from now will be one that would even make a liberal of today puke.

   

Whether or not the goat can give consent is a technical matter. Let us pretend that it gives its consent by clicking its hooves twice... You're ignoring the moral and logical argument. If goats COULD give their consent, would you agree to animal/human "marriage?" Is there any other reason to oppose it?

Funny how we so quickly glossed over polygamy.... See how quickly it changes? Marriage could be the slipperiest slope ever.



W.

   

Ah! Such lofty ambition, W. A "GOAT"? Perhaps you've set the bar way too high, dude.

   

Yeah, because the only thing that holds our society's morality together is the government. If it weren't for laws and regulations, we'd all be out raping women, killing babies and stealing old mens' wallets.

   

If a gay couple COULD conceive a child, would you agree to homosexual marriage? Is there any other reason to oppose it?

Debating with irrelevant hypotheticals is stupid.

   

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