Canada Kicks Ass
Gurmant Grewal Tapes

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ridenrain @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:39 am

I guess Wes Cragg partially agrees with me because they changed the headline.

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BurytheNDPforgood @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:49 am

So let me get this straight...our reputation is getting hurt because of an opposition backbencher.

This is just so typical. Of course Grewal is a slimy little cheating, untrustworthy nob.

But there is one of him and three of Dosanjh, Murphy and Martin. And they are in the party in power.

Once again all the attention is deflected.

Grewal deserves what he gets in the media, etc. But there is simply no balance in this country.

Example....last night on CBC (yet again!)...Terry Milewski is again in Grewal's riding interviewing everyone.

Why did this not happen in Belinda or Ujjal's riding.

It is so frustrating to watch!

   



MAPLELEAVES @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:55 am

When Belinda jump ship, I thought the CBC did go to New Market and asked people in their riding. I don't remember the CBC journalist but they were right infront of some Magna sign. I could be mistaken though.

But you are right the CBC has a very Liberal bias. I remember Peter Mansbridge was interviewing Harper, I couldn't believe how hard he pushing Harper.

   



BurytheNDPforgood @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:58 am

It's interesting...because sometimes it's just blatant and sometimes it's very, very subtle...but the underlying current is always the same.

Watching the coverage on the same sex marriage issue will be interesting.

   



Zipperfish @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:04 am

$1:
In 2002, while on vacation in New York, Canadian Citizen Maher Arar is grabbed by US officials and sent to Syria to be tortured because the RCMP believed he had links to al-Qaida. Further investigation yields no proof and the investigation is being stone walled over concerns of National Security.


This claim is highly dubious. Perhaps the inquriy will shed some light on the incident, but it seems the cockroaches involved scurry for cover as soon as the light goes on. Arar was not "on vacation" in New York, and we don't reallly know why he was rendered to Syria.

Other than that, your points are well-taken. In Canada we do not punish people for these types of crimes, and therefore they predictably proliferate. This Dosanhj/Grewal matter is just the latest in a pattern of corruption that has been rampant in Parliament for years. This latest is almost a good thing, becasue it does not devidei along partisna lines -- both the Conservatives and the Liberals look equally slimy, so the reaction is general disgust not at one party but with the whole system. That is a step in the right direction.

   



ridenrain @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:29 am

Good that someone else is picking up on this. The headlines have only Grewal but nothing about Prime Minister's chief of Tim Murphy and top Martin aide and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh. This is typical partisan journalism because the headline is the only thing too many Canadians read. This is the power of Liberal brand media. It's the classic "Admit Nothing, Deny Everything, Make Counter-Accusations"

When Belinda Stronach was publicly accepting compliments, her constituents just received her last Conservative newsletters in the mail.
Did that make news?

Zipperfish: I've not been following the Maher Arar case closely so I grabbed this reference as a general summary. You are right that without an effective investigation, we cannot know the truth but it also sounds like we are not getting a effective and open investigation. Considering our record of investigations & trials, there is little hope.

   



canucker @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:46 am

Grewal allegedly made citizenship deal

   



ambivalent @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:14 pm

I still want to hear how the conversations started - before the taping.

Was it a case of "what will you offer me to switch?" Or "we will offer you something if you come over."

Frankly, it could go either way, because, well, they're politicians and therefore closely related to things you find at the bottom of a swamp, but it seems a little weird that if that is a later call (second, third, what have you - as the fact he had enough time to realize he needed to be taping it suggests), why don't they offer something tangible? I mean, if I were going to bribe you, I'd hope I'd have the common sense to have a little more than, "well, we can't discuss any specific offerings, but if you do what I want, THEN we can talk about it!"

Honestly, would YOU go for that?

And I don't know that that instinctive response is really born of the fact that I loathe the Reform Party just that extra inch more than I loathe the Liberals.

It's sort of like choosing between the Mafia and the Crips (not that I know which would be which in that analogy).

   



Diffident_Albertan @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:56 pm

Little law lesson folks.

Taping someone is NOT and I repeat is NOT illegal. As long as one party if aware of the taping, it is not illegal.

   



Diffident_Albertan @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:01 pm

MAPLELEAVES MAPLELEAVES:
When Belinda jump ship, I thought the CBC did go to New Market and asked people in their riding. I don't remember the CBC journalist but they were right infront of some Magna sign. I could be mistaken though.

But you are right the CBC has a very Liberal bias. I remember Peter Mansbridge was interviewing Harper, I couldn't believe how hard he pushing Harper.


Mansbridge is hard on Harper, because he's gay. I think it's probably that simple. Doesn't like what Harper stands for.

   



BurytheNDPforgood @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:14 pm

The CBC is a disgrace. It is unbelievable how slanted they are towards the Libs.

It sure is fun watching the Libs get nervous about all these "hot button" issues though. The Health decision today....the uncertainty within their own party about the gay marriage vote.

I love it.

Again, the Tories should make the same sex bill an "official" confidence vote on the Govt. After all, the govt. are the almighty who have decided that, hey, you know, we have an overall majority of 1 (the speaker) and come hell or high water, we're going to get this bill through.

And they have got their Whips enforcing it.

I predict that at least 5 Libs will either abstain from the vote, or leave the caucus before the vote and abstain. They will not want to vote against the govt. but will not be able to vote for the bill.

Then we'll see what kind of media spin they can put on that.

Time is running out :D

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:26 pm

$1:
Again, the Tories should make the same sex bill an "official" confidence vote on the Govt. After all, the govt. are the almighty who have decided that, hey, you know, we have an overall majority of 1 (the speaker) and come hell or high water, we're going to get this bill through.


First of all there are no Tories anymore. The name suggests some dignity and honour and the Harperites have neither.

Second of all, the opposition doesn't get to decide what is a confidence vote and what isn't. Besides, during the last election Harper said that the only thing he would consider a confidence vote if he won (fat chance) a minority would be a money bill.

Third of all, the Liberals, BQ, and NDP all support the SSM bill, so the homophobes would lose on that anyway.

   



BurytheNDPforgood @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:57 am

$1:
Second of all, the opposition doesn't get to decide what is a confidence vote and what isn't.


Actually, that is the way it is supposed to work, albeit more on an impromptu basis eg. 6 successive votes in May to topple the Govt. Only, in Canada, a minority government can decide when an official vote takes place. Unprecedented stuff. Simply arrogant. :evil:

[/quote]Third of all, the Liberals, BQ, and NDP all support the SSM bill, so the homophobes would lose on that anyway [quote]

We'll see :lol:

   



ridenrain @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:44 am

Jason Kenney, MP
Opposition Deputy House Leader
Calgary Southeast


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 9, 2005

News Release

Original Murphy/Dosanjh recordings clean and unaltered: expert

OTTAWA – Conservative Deputy House Leader Jason Kenney today released a letter to Conservative Leader Stephen Harper from Randy Dash, Senior Editor and Manager of Operations of dMAX Media in Ottawa. The letter summarizes Mr. Dash’s analysis of copies of original recordings supplied by Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal.

“Mr. Dash’s analysis of the recordings shows that they are clean and unaltered,” Kenney said. “These recordings speak for themselves. Now, it’s time for Paul Martin, Ujjal Dosanjh and Tim Murphy to begin answering the questions about their involvement in offering rewards to members of parliament in exchange for their votes. To this day, there has been no information produced by any of these individuals to dispute the facts on these recordings.”

Kenney pointed out that Mr. Dash, a professional audio engineer specializing in post-production work, is the only expert thus far to have examined copies of the original recordings, and invited others to do the same. “There has been a lot of conjecture about the authenticity of the recordings,” Kenney said. “None of this speculation is based upon fact, and would indicate that those speculating have not taken the time to listen to or examine the entire recordings, which are publicly available.”


ref.

No radio station morning show technicians, no running to questionable foreign "experts". Maybe when the RCMP finally finish burning records and hiding musical ride sponsorship money, they can check this out too.

   



BurytheNDPforgood @ Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:04 pm

Good work my son....good work! PDT_Armataz_01_37 [flag]

As mentioned before....the Grits are sweating on a number of fronts right now :lol: :cry:

   



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