Canada Kicks Ass
Harper learning from G.W.Bush

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TheGup @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:32 pm

bootlegga bootlegga:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

If this attack was carried you would have blamed Harper..
With people like you, Harper is Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't..

:roll:


Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was exactly the same for the Cons and Paul Martin!


You're tricky.

You're quite possibly the most partisan hack on these boards, judging from what I read, but you have never gotten called out on it. You often criticize others for their partisanship, but never criticize the Liberals. When the Conservatives come out with something good, you're the first there with a "Yeah, but..."

And Tritium, no matter how hard you try, STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT GEORGE W. BUSH.

Stephen Harper is a fiscal Conservative. George W. Bush is a social Conservative.

They are two COMPLETELY different strands...

   



Patrick_Ross @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:36 pm

Sorry, Gup, but 10-1 says Tritium ain't listenin'

   



Hardy @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:35 pm

TheGup TheGup:

And Tritium, no matter how hard you try, STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT GEORGE W. BUSH.

Stephen Harper is a fiscal Conservative. George W. Bush is a social Conservative.

They are two COMPLETELY different strands...


Now's your chance, drive the point home forcefully! Explain how calling a vote on gay marriage is going to save us a lot of tax dollars.

   



Bodah @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:38 pm

tritium tritium:
1. it was still entrapment

2. Canadian rights were violated.

3. I BET THEY GET OFF BECAUSE OF IT???

4. Yes it is great that they were able to stop a fictitious attack on Canada.

Canadian farmers better watch out this year when they fertilize their crops, buying fertilizer in bulk is now illegal. Joe framer is now a prospective terrorist.

The only fertilizer I see here, is a bunch of horse shit.


Jesus murphy..... put the crack pipe down sunny.

Entrapment ? Its called a sting genius. If the RCMP poses as a source that can deliver 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate and does it to these "farmers" in urban areas and you have a problem with it ? I geuss we will be letting child molesters go who set up a date with who they think is a 12 year boy but is infact a undercover cop ? Is that still entrapment ? The intent was still there.

How were their rights violated ? explain this one to me.

A fictitious attack ? you mean it was never going to happen even after the 3 tons of ammonium nitrate was delivered ? Can I borrow your crystal ball because I want to play the lottery this weekend.

   



bootlegga @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:09 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

If this attack was carried you would have blamed Harper..
With people like you, Harper is Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't..

:roll:


Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was exactly the same for the Cons and Paul Martin!
Really? You have a link?


No link needed.

Remember the softwood lumber issue last year?

Before Martin tried his negotiating tactics with the US, the Cons said he didn't care about Canada, then after he got tough and threatened to link energy, the Cons came out and said Martin doesn't care about Canadian business.

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't!

Same difference, no?

Partisanship is partisanship. I'm not excusing either party (hell, I was pissed that Martin never even tired to get Tory support for most of his issues), but both sides are guilty of it. That's whay minority governments don't last long in this country, whereas coalition governments in Europe last for a lot longer than 12-18 months...

   



PluggyRug @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:15 pm

bootlegga bootlegga:
RUEZ RUEZ:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

If this attack was carried you would have blamed Harper..
With people like you, Harper is Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't..

:roll:


Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was exactly the same for the Cons and Paul Martin!
Really? You have a link?


No link needed.

Remember the softwood lumber issue last year?

Before Martin tried his negotiating tactics with the US, the Cons said he didn't care about Canada, then after he got tough and threatened to link energy, the Cons came out and said Martin doesn't care about Canadian business.

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't!

Same difference, no?

Partisanship is partisanship. I'm not excusing either party (hell, I was pissed that Martin never even tired to get Tory support for most of his issues), but both sides are guilty of it. That's whay minority governments don't last long in this country, whereas coalition governments in Europe last for a lot longer than 12-18 months...



Yes but don't you end up with same committee that designed the camel.

   



bootlegga @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:44 pm

TheGup TheGup:
You're tricky.

You're quite possibly the most partisan hack on these boards, judging from what I read, but you have never gotten called out on it. You often criticize others for their partisanship, but never criticize the Liberals. When the Conservatives come out with something good, you're the first there with a "Yeah, but..."


BULLSHIT!

LET"S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT Captain Con..I am NOT a LIBERAL or a CONSERVATIVE.

Neither party truly reflects my views on how Canada should be run. I have voted for both parties and been burned by both parties. I've said over and over that I want more defence spending, but don't mind paying taxes to ensure an adequate social safety net. I like the Cons for their business and defence policies and the Libs for their 'left-wing' ideals, like a social safety net and equal rights. But as there is not one party that adequately represents me, I vote based on the issues and how I feel about the party at the time of the election. I would have supported the Cons in this past election solely for their defence policy if they didn't have Harper as thier leader.

It just so happens that this past election, I voted Liberal, but I would have voted Con if they had MacKay as the leader (if Mackay was leader, the Cons would be a majority government right now). I simply don't care for Harper (and I'm not the only one). That's one reason why I'm glad that Martin and Chretien are finally gone, both needed to be put out to pasture to let in some new blood. I voted Con in 2004 and look what it got me, a minority government that couldn't get along with anyone, another damn election 18 months later...followed by another minority government that can't get along with anyone either.

Obviously you never bother to read my entire post(s) or you would see I have been critical of the Liberals on a lot of issues, just like I'm critical of the Cons on others. I'll be totally honest that I'm not very critical of the NDP or Bloc because I don't care about either very much. If I had the time (or felt the need to prove it to you), I'd go digging thorough some old threads, but I've got work to do so I can watch the game tonight...

One Liberal thing I have criticized plenty of times was the cancellation of the EH-101 contract in 1993 by Chretien. One thing you'll find if you bother to read my posts is that I'm very pro-defence and quite hawkish, much like Tricks is now. Another thing I fully support is our troops in Afghanistan and I posted that too.

And when Harper comes up with a policy that I like, I'll be the first to say so. But he hasn't done much of anything I like since taking office in February. It's been almost 5 months and still nothing on the defence front. He did okay on softwood, but I would have preferred a deal that got all $5 billion back, not 80% of it. As for his 1% GST cut, it won't help me all that much because I'm sure they'll claw back GST refunds (which I still get now and then). I would have much preferred a cut in income tax over GST.

As for me being the biggest partisan hack on here, you really have the blinders on...look at your side of the fence. I may post occaisonally about the Libs, but I don't hold a candle to Ridenrain, Motorcycleboy, Grainfedprairieboy, or Hwacker.

   



bootlegga @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:45 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
bootlegga bootlegga:
RUEZ RUEZ:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

If this attack was carried you would have blamed Harper..
With people like you, Harper is Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't..

:roll:


Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was exactly the same for the Cons and Paul Martin!
Really? You have a link?


No link needed.

Remember the softwood lumber issue last year?

Before Martin tried his negotiating tactics with the US, the Cons said he didn't care about Canada, then after he got tough and threatened to link energy, the Cons came out and said Martin doesn't care about Canadian business.

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't!

Same difference, no?

Partisanship is partisanship. I'm not excusing either party (hell, I was pissed that Martin never even tired to get Tory support for most of his issues), but both sides are guilty of it. That's whay minority governments don't last long in this country, whereas coalition governments in Europe last for a lot longer than 12-18 months...



Yes but don't you end up with same committee that designed the camel.


Touche', you got me there...

ROTFL

   



lynnefoster @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:04 pm

Harper and Bush are like brothers.

Kind of scary !

   



Patrick_Ross @ Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:33 pm

Ummmm... yeah. Obviously, this interview was made up. Whether for purposes of humor or not, I wouldn't know. But somehow, I doubt Condoleeza Rice would tell a reporter "fuck you".

   



tritium @ Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:01 am

GD_ GD_:
People like tritium should just keep their months shut. Yes George Bush has used the threat of Terrorism to get reelected and to further the war in Iraq, The Patriot Act, etc. But the is NOT what happened here in Canada. I don't see the connection between these arrests and Harper.

It's Comments like this that make it easy for the right to downplay anything the left has to say


HAHAHAHAHA!! Learn English.

GD_ you are full of shit. Canada version of the U.S. Patriot Act is Canada's Bill C-7

TheGup TheGup:
And Tritium, no matter how hard you try, STEPHEN HARPER IS NOT GEORGE W. BUSH.

Stephen Harper is a fiscal Conservative. George W. Bush is a social Conservative.


GOD BLESS CANADA!!! They may be different in ideology, but they are still in bed togeather.

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In Canada, which has a different definition of entrapment than the United States, there are two forms of Entrapment.

1. Random virtue testing: police offering a random member of the public an opportunity to commit a crime. Police must have a reasonable suspicion of a person in order to provide someone opportunity to commit a crime.

2. If police have a reasonable suspicion they can only provide an opportunity, not convince or induce the person to commit the crime.


YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WATCHING TO MANY AMERICAN MOVIES. WELCOME TO CANADA CONS.

   



SireJoe @ Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:22 am

There is evidence to support that last one then? Can you share that please.

   



tritium @ Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:23 am

SireJoe SireJoe:
There is evidence to support that last one then? Can you share that please.


Click on the "Entrapment" link above. :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

   



SireJoe @ Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:30 am

Uhm, in reference to this case there el quicko. Do you have any evidence to support the fact that this was indeed entrapment? Did they infact convince or induce the people to commit the crime? If not, then where the hell are you getting this from? Sounds like your just blowing smoke.

   



tritium @ Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:49 am

SireJoe SireJoe:
Uhm, in reference to this case there el quicko. Do you have any evidence to support the fact that this was indeed entrapment? Did they infact convince or induce the people to commit the crime? If not, then where the hell are you getting this from? Sounds like your just blowing smoke.


So,turns out the RCMP helped supply the bomb making material that might of been used in a terrorist attempt.

Do these bozos not realize they have probobly already blown their case?

RCMP behind bomb material

As earlier stated, Canadian laws are significantly different from the USA.

Without the RCMP selling the ammonium nitrate to the alleged terrorists, there would be no crime committed. Thus, Entrapment.

I would like to see nothing more than see these bastard hang if they are guilty, nevertheless I think the case a flawed and these bastrards will walk.

   



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