Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage
Vanni_Fucci @ Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:20 pm
Godz46 Godz46:
Not in name. But the vast majority of first-world countries have the majority of their population of Christian faith. Almost every scholar agrees that Christianty was the important factor that made Western Civilization the way it is today.
I beg to differ Godz...the US, from the very beginning was founded on secular ideals...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Godz46 Godz46:
Atheist dictator Adolf Hitler kills 6 million.
Hitler wasn't an atheist Godz...he was a Christian...and a devout one at that...everyone knows that...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
sjc001 @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:21 am
Godz46 Godz46:
Not in name. But the vast majority of first-world countries have the majority of their population of Christian faith.
Irrelevant. The governments are still secular.
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Almost every scholar agrees that Christianty was the important factor that made Western Civilization the way it is today.
That is the "Every True Scotsman" fallacy.
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Christians in North America arn't protesting the freedom to religion. They're protesting the repression of they're own freedom to worship .
They never had it the way they mistakenly believe they did. It was that if anyone preotested what wa happening in the past they were usually told to shut up or worse. It is only now that Christianity has weakened so much that other's can now speak their minds and point out the hypocrsy of the majority which had oppressed them for so long.
The truth of the matter is that the one group which has persecuted Christians the most throughout history are other Christians.
You fundy Christians must realize that you can't have everything your way anymore. They days when you could get away with oppressing others are over.
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Kids in schools can't put recite a prayer to themselves before an exam or a meal without getting sent to the priniciples office.
Wrong, they can't say a prayer while being lead by the teacher or other school authority. No one can stop you from silently saying a prayer to one's self.
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Its considered bigoted to say the words "Merry Christmas", some schools are drafting rules which would ban Catholic students from wearing their crosses,
It is the same of any religious symbols as well.
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That's what Christians are upset about, not the fact that there are more than one religion.
What they are upset about is the fact that they can't impose their beliefs on all.
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IN fact they tend to take advantage of the different religions that are here, for example, when they protested gay marriage the Christian organizations allied themselves with Muslim, Jewish and Hindu to show that they had a wide coalition.
All dominance based religions are the same.
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The fact that Christians today have reformed themselves from the Christianity practised 700 years ago doesn't really impress you does it?
Wrong again, they haven't "reformed" themsleves at all, it is the fact that Christianity is in such decline that they no longer have the power or influence they once had, but if they did then things like the Inquisition and the Burning Times would still be around. You've proven that Christianity isn't reformed by your very reaction to those who are gay. You called them "freaks of nature" and want to take their rights away from them. You've also shown this intolerance in your political beliefs as well since you are also trying to merge the two. A theocracy is one of the worse forms of tyranny there is.
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Christians today in your own mind are responsible for the actions of their co-religionists centuries ago? Do you think people of German Descent should be be resonsible for something their grandparents did 60 years ago?
What happened in germany was yet another example of Christian evil since Hitler was in fact a devout Catholic.
In his own words.
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The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. [original italics]
For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.
[...]
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]
-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim.
For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.
[...]
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]
-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim.
And there is also this
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Hitler certainly appeared at times to be a theist, and claimed to be a Christian:
The Führer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy ("I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [quoting Hitler]), he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God -- so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty.
-- John Toland (Pulitzer Prize winner),
from "Adolf Hitler", pp 507, talking about the Autumn of 1941.
The "I am now as before a Catholic..." quotation from Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience, and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies.
The Führer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy ("I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [quoting Hitler]), he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God -- so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty.
-- John Toland (Pulitzer Prize winner),
from "Adolf Hitler", pp 507, talking about the Autumn of 1941.
The "I am now as before a Catholic..." quotation from Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience, and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies.
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I see, so 9/11, Bali, Nigeria, Spain Afghanistan, the Philipines, Algeria, and Saudia Arabia are not the problem. Christians are still the biggest threat to thew world?
I see that you aren't aware of US policy in the area during the last 50 years or so.
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Oh I see, so you mean to tell me that in deep underground, there is a comitee of Church elders who keep re-writing history and brainwashing us with those re-writes? Geez, your pathetic man.
The bible is a highly revised and edit piece of work. Your ignorance is amazing. What is pathetic is your total unwillingness to access the facts.
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Well let's take a small jog through history shall we?
Atheist dictator Adolf Hitler kills 6 million.
Atheist dictator Adolf Hitler kills 6 million.
Hitler was a devout catholic and had stated so.
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Atheist dictator Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union has killed more than 100 million.
He was a seminary student studying to become a priest. And that number is way over inflated. It includes those killed during WWII by the Nazis. Plus, many of those who died didn't die in the name of atheism, but in the name of Stalinism a perverted form of communism.
Since atheism isn't an organized belief system such as Christianity is no one can die in its name. The only thing that atheists have in common is that they don't believe that a god exists. There is no set dogma or doctrine either. .
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The Khemer Rouge killed 1.7 million.
Asian religions tend to be non-theistic so your point here is irrelevant.
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Muslim Saddam Hussein has killed over 200000 of his own people.
He wasn't a Muslim. He even had a Christian in his top circle. Plus, those people were killed with WMD supplied to him by the US so in fact the US is responsible for those deaths. Currently the US has directly killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqis as well. An US general even stated that this is a holy war and Bush invokes god whenever he can in this also.
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Muslim Ayatolah Khmonei has killed 320000 people in his first three years in power alone!!!
Still a theist.
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IN Algeria, it is estimated that that around 624000 muslim civilians have been slaughtered by their fellow muslims (Terrorists who lost an election 12 years ago are taking it out on the people. )
Theist against theist, nothing new.
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Or how about China? (You mean to tell me that Mao was a bibe-thumping Christian?) what about Imperial Japan? What about Congo? What about India and Pakistan?
Asian religions are non-theistic.
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But let's go back to the times of the crusades and the inquisition as you like renember...
On a per capita basis it was far worse back then.
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Let's renember the Muslim Conquest of Spain, the Battle of Tours, the execution of Jews in Qurayza by Muslims. Or 9/11?
Still nothing in comparison.
Two can play at this game.
http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html
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Well, just add up the number of Children who have been molested by Adults of the same sex and the number of gay AIDS victims and you got yourself a number..
Again, you haven'r read the evidence or just simple refused to accept it. So, you believe that the continent of Africa is filled with nothing but homosexuals? The group with the highest rate of AIDS are young black heterosexual males. AIDS has always been a heterosexual disease.
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[size=12]Due to 9.11 and the dot com bubble, but things are climbing back up..
Wrong, yet again.
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Actually a corrput government is one which overseas wastefeul spending, gives public money to its friends in "government contracts" takes part in Adscam, and is power-hungry (Just like the LIEberals are). Just becuase its getting surplus doesn't mean it is clean.
If that is corruption than we need more of it since Canada as a whole is in very good shape. You seem to want to ignore the fact of 9 surpluses in a row under Liberal governments. From your other threads I can see that you are irrational when it comes to the real world.
sjc001 @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:22 am
Godz46 Godz46:
Judging by the election results, 53 per cent of your state don't mind me coming down there.
Just don't tell them that you lived in a place which spoke french.
sjc001 @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:39 am
Godz46 Godz46:
If you want any more just ask...I got a whole data CD about this.
I bet you do, but no matter how much apologetics you have it won't change the facts.
It was well known that Hitler didn't like the Church and its leadership itself, but that still didn't mean that he didn't concider himself a devout catholic.. It is no different than with others who questioned the Church as well. I.E. Martin Luther.
It is still a fact that Hitler was a self-profested Christian, even though later on he became clinically insane due to his syphilis.
There are currently over 3000 different Christian sects in the world from a history which had over 30,000.
gaiter83 @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:29 am
sjc001 sjc001:
Godz46 Godz46:
Judging by the election results, 53 per cent of your state don't mind me coming down there.
Just don't tell them that you lived in a place which spoke french.
Actually, in an urban area of Florida, it wouldn't really matter... FL is kind of like a semi-Southern state, so many people move here from up north and everywhere that it's not your "typical" Southern state... Maybe it's a good thing that he's coming to FL, they'll see a Canadian that thinks like them and think that Canadians aren't that bad, LOL
sjc001 @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:00 am
gaiter83 gaiter83:
Actually, in an urban area of Florida, it wouldn't really matter... FL is kind of like a semi-Southern state, so many people move here from up north and everywhere that it's not your "typical" Southern state... Maybe it's a good thing that he's coming to FL, they'll see a Canadian that thinks like them and think that Canadians aren't that bad, LOL
My aunt and her husband live in Florida for over 30 years and they had to finally leave because it was getting way too dangerous to live there so they moved back up here with their granddaughter (Her mother had died some years before.)
Vanni_Fucci @ Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:06 pm
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Political Satire
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Canada Goes To Hell
By Mark Morford
Dec 17, 2004, 20:34
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Did you hear the screams? Did you feel the menacing chill? Did you see the black and ominous clouds, moving north?
Did you sense, in other words, the very presence of Satan himself as he laughed maniacally and tossed around bucketfuls of ultrathin condoms and little travel-size packets of Astroglide like confetti while riding his Harley Softail up to Toronto or maybe Edmonton to join the ghastly and sodomitic celebrations?
Because it's happened. Canada's high court just ruled that the government can, if it so desires, redefine marriage to include gay couples, which it has declared it will do almost immediately, thus solidifying Canada's place as the chilly yet mellow and gay friendly and hockey-riffic epicenter of all known hell.
It's true. It's rather amazing. Gay marriage will be completely legal in Canada very soon. It's been oddly ignored in much of the U.S. media and hasn't really been much discussed among those in the terrified red states except when, deep in the night, from their respective lumpy twin beds, they whisper to each other across the room as they pop their Ambien and stroke their portfolios and curse their very genitals: oh my God what's wrong with those freakin' Canadians?
I mean (they continue), I thought they loved red meat and brutish sports and manly hunting. Are they all just freaks and perverts now? Have they been sniffing too many elk pelts? Is it something in the clean and plentiful water up there? Something to do with those weird French-esque people in Quebec, maybe?
I knew we should've been paying more attention to that border! Didn't I say so, honey? Didn't I say we should keep an eye on those northern weirdos after they dissed the Iraq war and legalized medical pot and sort of went about their happy and calm Canadian business whilst we here in panicky red-blooded America chewed our own karmic legs off in a paranoid and jingoistic rage? Hippies and perverts, I said! Save a few bombs for Ontario, George, I say!
Let us now do the naughty math: Canada has roughly 32 million inhabitants, of whom about 75 percent are over 18, of whom it can be loosely estimated that anywhere from 2 to 8 percent are gay (depends, of course, on who you ask).
All of which translates into a ballpark figure of anywhere from 1 million to 2 million gay Canadians of legal marrying age who will now eagerly laugh and kiss in the streets and confound poor reactionary born-again George W. Bush, and they will flash their wedding rings at parties and annoy all the single people, all while proving for the umpteenth time that love knows no gender limitations or legal restrictions and will trump your whiny sanctimonious religious puling any given Sunday. Heathens!
It's getting more confusing by the minute, isn't it? I mean, Canada now has legal medical pot and legal gay marriage and universal health care and no known terrorist enemies and a relatively successful multiparty political system. They also have, according to U.N.'s Human Development Index, one of the highest qualities of life in the world. All coupled with a dramatically reduced rate of gun violence and far better gun-control legislation than the U.S., despite having the exact same per capita rate of gun ownership and gun-sport enthusiasm.
What the hell? How is this possible? Why aren't they scared to death like whiny red-state Americans? Why don't they want to kill each other along with anything that might threaten their access to televised hockey and cheap beer and yummy poutine?
Aren't they aware of what's happening in the world? Don't they know they are openly hated for their freedoms and their cafés and their vinegared french fries? Aren't they human, fer Chrissakes? Oh, red states. How confused and irritated you must be.
After all, unlike the U.S., Canada backed the Kyoto Treaty (along with 165 other heathen nations). They also spend more per capita on education and less on health-care overhead than the U.S. They have a $10 billion federal surplus, a new record. They are not, as of yet, abusing the hell out of their vast natural resources (freshwater, huge forests, oil and natural gas, mineral deposits, etc.) and embarrassing themselves on a global scale every single day and making a mockery of their constitution or their citizens' civil liberties. What the hell is wrong with them?
Yes yes, I know, Canada's universal health care is flawed and not always of the best quality, and a great many Canadians think their prime minister is a bit of a schmuck and they hate paying taxes and of course they can be all profitable and progressive when they don't have a massive bogus unwinnable war to pay for, one run by a ravenous and fiscally idiotic federal government, and they only have one-tenth of our population and one-fiftieth of our desperate consumeristic gluttony. They have it easy, right?
Remember, Canada is boring. Canada is rarely in the news. Canada has no massive belching socioeconomic engine like America does, what with our NASCAR and Hollywood and Fox News and bad porn and the absolute best medical care on the planet despite how only a tiny fraction of us have access to it while the rest languish in bloated abusive HMOs and poverty and disease and 40 percent of us have no access to health care whatsoever. Take that, Canada! Oh wait.
We hate gays and love guns and think pot is evil but hand out Prozac and Zoloft like Chiclets. Meanwhile (as "Bowling for Columbine" so beautifully illuminated), Canadians leave their doors unlocked and don't feature violence and death on every newscast and still value community and diversity and discussion over solipsism and protectionism and a general hatred of foreigners and the French. See? We rule! Oh wait.
All of which makes you wonder: how many more countries will it take? How many more nations will have to, for example, prove that gun licensing works, or that gay-marriage legislation is a moral imperative, or that health care for all is mandatory for a nation's well being, before America finally looks at itself and says, whoa, damn, we are so silly and small and wrong? Is there any number large enough? After the announcement that gay Chinese and gay Russians may legally marry and grow lovely gardens of marijuana as they all get free dental care, will America remain terrified of nipples and queers?
Canadians. So mellow. So laid back. So gay. So not producing any truly superlative modern-rock music or ultraviolent buddy-cop movies and not actively siccing Wal-Mart or Starbucks or Paris Hilton on the rest of the world like a goddamn cancer. They're just so ... nice. And boring. And calm. And solid. And friendly.
And they simply beat us senseless on the whole open-minded, progressive thing. Kicked our flag-wavin' butts. Trounced our egomaniacal self-righteous selves and made the red states look even more foolish and backward than the whole world already knows them to be.
They did it. Canada made the whole gay marriage issue look effortless and obvious and healthy, and a massive black rain of hellfire did not pour down upon them and the very idea of hetero marriage did not immediately explode and their economy did not unravel like all the sneering cardinals and right-wing nutballs screamed it would. We must ask, one last time: what the hell is wrong with them?
Oh wait. Maybe we should rephrase. What the hell, we should be asking, is wrong with us?
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Canada Goes To Hell
By Mark Morford
Dec 17, 2004, 20:34
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Did you hear the screams? Did you feel the menacing chill? Did you see the black and ominous clouds, moving north?
Did you sense, in other words, the very presence of Satan himself as he laughed maniacally and tossed around bucketfuls of ultrathin condoms and little travel-size packets of Astroglide like confetti while riding his Harley Softail up to Toronto or maybe Edmonton to join the ghastly and sodomitic celebrations?
Because it's happened. Canada's high court just ruled that the government can, if it so desires, redefine marriage to include gay couples, which it has declared it will do almost immediately, thus solidifying Canada's place as the chilly yet mellow and gay friendly and hockey-riffic epicenter of all known hell.
It's true. It's rather amazing. Gay marriage will be completely legal in Canada very soon. It's been oddly ignored in much of the U.S. media and hasn't really been much discussed among those in the terrified red states except when, deep in the night, from their respective lumpy twin beds, they whisper to each other across the room as they pop their Ambien and stroke their portfolios and curse their very genitals: oh my God what's wrong with those freakin' Canadians?
I mean (they continue), I thought they loved red meat and brutish sports and manly hunting. Are they all just freaks and perverts now? Have they been sniffing too many elk pelts? Is it something in the clean and plentiful water up there? Something to do with those weird French-esque people in Quebec, maybe?
I knew we should've been paying more attention to that border! Didn't I say so, honey? Didn't I say we should keep an eye on those northern weirdos after they dissed the Iraq war and legalized medical pot and sort of went about their happy and calm Canadian business whilst we here in panicky red-blooded America chewed our own karmic legs off in a paranoid and jingoistic rage? Hippies and perverts, I said! Save a few bombs for Ontario, George, I say!
Let us now do the naughty math: Canada has roughly 32 million inhabitants, of whom about 75 percent are over 18, of whom it can be loosely estimated that anywhere from 2 to 8 percent are gay (depends, of course, on who you ask).
All of which translates into a ballpark figure of anywhere from 1 million to 2 million gay Canadians of legal marrying age who will now eagerly laugh and kiss in the streets and confound poor reactionary born-again George W. Bush, and they will flash their wedding rings at parties and annoy all the single people, all while proving for the umpteenth time that love knows no gender limitations or legal restrictions and will trump your whiny sanctimonious religious puling any given Sunday. Heathens!
It's getting more confusing by the minute, isn't it? I mean, Canada now has legal medical pot and legal gay marriage and universal health care and no known terrorist enemies and a relatively successful multiparty political system. They also have, according to U.N.'s Human Development Index, one of the highest qualities of life in the world. All coupled with a dramatically reduced rate of gun violence and far better gun-control legislation than the U.S., despite having the exact same per capita rate of gun ownership and gun-sport enthusiasm.
What the hell? How is this possible? Why aren't they scared to death like whiny red-state Americans? Why don't they want to kill each other along with anything that might threaten their access to televised hockey and cheap beer and yummy poutine?
Aren't they aware of what's happening in the world? Don't they know they are openly hated for their freedoms and their cafés and their vinegared french fries? Aren't they human, fer Chrissakes? Oh, red states. How confused and irritated you must be.
After all, unlike the U.S., Canada backed the Kyoto Treaty (along with 165 other heathen nations). They also spend more per capita on education and less on health-care overhead than the U.S. They have a $10 billion federal surplus, a new record. They are not, as of yet, abusing the hell out of their vast natural resources (freshwater, huge forests, oil and natural gas, mineral deposits, etc.) and embarrassing themselves on a global scale every single day and making a mockery of their constitution or their citizens' civil liberties. What the hell is wrong with them?
Yes yes, I know, Canada's universal health care is flawed and not always of the best quality, and a great many Canadians think their prime minister is a bit of a schmuck and they hate paying taxes and of course they can be all profitable and progressive when they don't have a massive bogus unwinnable war to pay for, one run by a ravenous and fiscally idiotic federal government, and they only have one-tenth of our population and one-fiftieth of our desperate consumeristic gluttony. They have it easy, right?
Remember, Canada is boring. Canada is rarely in the news. Canada has no massive belching socioeconomic engine like America does, what with our NASCAR and Hollywood and Fox News and bad porn and the absolute best medical care on the planet despite how only a tiny fraction of us have access to it while the rest languish in bloated abusive HMOs and poverty and disease and 40 percent of us have no access to health care whatsoever. Take that, Canada! Oh wait.
We hate gays and love guns and think pot is evil but hand out Prozac and Zoloft like Chiclets. Meanwhile (as "Bowling for Columbine" so beautifully illuminated), Canadians leave their doors unlocked and don't feature violence and death on every newscast and still value community and diversity and discussion over solipsism and protectionism and a general hatred of foreigners and the French. See? We rule! Oh wait.
All of which makes you wonder: how many more countries will it take? How many more nations will have to, for example, prove that gun licensing works, or that gay-marriage legislation is a moral imperative, or that health care for all is mandatory for a nation's well being, before America finally looks at itself and says, whoa, damn, we are so silly and small and wrong? Is there any number large enough? After the announcement that gay Chinese and gay Russians may legally marry and grow lovely gardens of marijuana as they all get free dental care, will America remain terrified of nipples and queers?
Canadians. So mellow. So laid back. So gay. So not producing any truly superlative modern-rock music or ultraviolent buddy-cop movies and not actively siccing Wal-Mart or Starbucks or Paris Hilton on the rest of the world like a goddamn cancer. They're just so ... nice. And boring. And calm. And solid. And friendly.
And they simply beat us senseless on the whole open-minded, progressive thing. Kicked our flag-wavin' butts. Trounced our egomaniacal self-righteous selves and made the red states look even more foolish and backward than the whole world already knows them to be.
They did it. Canada made the whole gay marriage issue look effortless and obvious and healthy, and a massive black rain of hellfire did not pour down upon them and the very idea of hetero marriage did not immediately explode and their economy did not unravel like all the sneering cardinals and right-wing nutballs screamed it would. We must ask, one last time: what the hell is wrong with them?
Oh wait. Maybe we should rephrase. What the hell, we should be asking, is wrong with us?
Vanni_Fucci @ Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:33 pm
Godz46 Godz46:
Really? Well let me ask you something...if in the last 50 years Christianity was so intolerant, why...oh why do many people of different religions come to these "Christian" countries in droves? And how did Jews, Asians, Middle Easterners, or slavics prospered in Canada, the US, the UK, Australia?
Christian countries??? Are you suggesting that all those countries you mentioned are theocracies???
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LMFAOL You know The christian right has a lot of influence in the US at the current moment...so where are the stuff that you speak of happening?
Iraq...Afghanistan...Guantanamo Bay...Washington D.C....
Soon to be Syria, Iran, North Korea...and on and on....
Vanni_Fucci @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:59 pm
Godz46 Godz46:
Iraq: Stopped a brutal dictator who easily kills 100 thousand civilians a year.
No Godz...Dubya hasn't been stopped yet...but give it some time...
Godz46 Godz46:
Afghanistan: Afghanistan just had its first free elections recently, it drafted a constitution and girls are going to school for the first time...well ever. What do you have againt Afghani girls going to school Vanni?
I've got nothing against Aghani girls going to school...what I have a problem with is pseudo-democratic puppet governments whoring themselves for US interests...Karzai is a frickin' ringer and everyone knows it...
Godz46 Godz46:
Gitmo Bay: Blood thirsty terrorists are locked up, with three meals a day, a call to prayer with roofs over there heads. If you aks me...way to good for killers.
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng
http://globalsecurity.com/war_on_terror ... mo_bay.htm
Godz46 Godz46:
Washington DC? I did'nt realise that there are Witch burnings and killings of non-Christians in the nation's capital...could you provide me with some links?
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism ... alysis.php
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS ... reform.ap/