Iggy and the coalition contradictions.
ridenrain @ Sat May 23, 2009 11:41 am
You guys were dragging up crap from private speaches Harper made 15 years ago so I don't think you have any room to talk here.
poquas @ Sat May 23, 2009 11:45 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
You guys were dragging up crap from private speaches Harper made 15 years ago so I don't think you have any room to talk here.
Oh, please. Because he said it 15 years ago, it doesn't matter because it's Harper?
Harper has to go. The Reform nuts pulling his strings have to go with him. THEN we can elect a Conservative government with some credibility.
DerbyX @ Sat May 23, 2009 11:48 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Derby,
Partisan crap aside, let's cut to the chase.
Did Harper try and form a coalition? Yes
Did the Liberals and Dion? Yes
Does it make it right regardless of who did it before? No.
This is about Michael Ignatieff, first supporting the coalition and now coming forth saying that it was a bad idea for Canadian unity.
This is what the topic is about. It's not what "He said/She said" or "Harper did it". Regardless where you stand, left or right, this looks poorly upon Ignatieff.
Partisan crap aside, let's cut to the chase.
Did Harper try and form a coalition? Yes
Did the Liberals and Dion? Yes
Does it make it right regardless of who did it before? No.
This is about Michael Ignatieff, first supporting the coalition and now coming forth saying that it was a bad idea for Canadian unity.
This is what the topic is about. It's not what "He said/She said" or "Harper did it". Regardless where you stand, left or right, this looks poorly upon Ignatieff.
It reflects just as poorly on Harper by the very same set of standards yet hacks like riden only ever consider it bad when the other guys do it.
ridenrain @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:00 pm
poquas poquas:
ridenrain ridenrain:
You guys were dragging up crap from private speaches Harper made 15 years ago so I don't think you have any room to talk here.
Oh, please. Because he said it 15 years ago, it doesn't matter because it's Harper?
Harper has to go. The Reform nuts pulling his strings have to go with him. THEN we can elect a Conservative government with some credibility.
There's that "we" crap again.
Give it up.
poquas @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:08 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
There's that "we" crap again.
Give it up.
Give it up.
I don't use "we" when I talk to you. You're not my type of Conservative.
Quit the party. You do nothing but embarrass the rest of us.
fifeboy @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:11 pm
For the last two elections I have voted ABC which meant I voted Liberal. With Iggy in as Lib leader I was planning to go back to my NDP roots, but with all the crap coming from the Connies regarding Iggy I am for sure going back to ABC. Harper must be really scared of this guy and as he does not seem to have any policy himself that works, he is reduced to having his peons cry about the now dead coalition and where Iggy has been. Gotta hate that Steve guy. Don't like Iggy but he is, if nothing else, not Harper.
ridenrain @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:35 pm
Lol. Porquas.
There was a hack on the radio that summed up the PC part with:
"Canada likes 2 liberal parties, one in charge and another waiting in the wings."
I'd say these last 2 elections have shown that Canadian voters approve of the Conservative party and it's new direction. You can squabble all you like about the leaders, and if you're CPC members, you can even vote, but, like it or not, Harper has pulled the right wing from the death grip of the PCs and put them into office.
poquas @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:41 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Harper has pulled the right wing from the death grip of the PCs and put them into office.
...and he'll be the one that brings us back to two members.
ridenrain @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:45 pm
poquas poquas:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Harper has pulled the right wing from the death grip of the PCs and put them into office.
...and he'll be the one that brings us back to two members.
For all you're talk and "support".. that's not working, is it?
Let's face it.. the horse you're beating died 20 years ago.
poquas @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:51 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
For all you're talk and "support".. that's not working, is it?
Let's face it.. the horse you're beating died 20 years ago.
Let's face it.. the horse you're beating died 20 years ago.
...and your brand of Conservatism is losing support in the polls quickly to the point Harper has begun to suck up in Quebec again.
The party is about to take another major hit with the Liberals probably gaining another majority. Then we'll be able to toss you whiny, partisan, right wing hacks out with the garbage and start over.
ridenrain @ Sat May 23, 2009 12:58 pm
As I see it, "my" form of conservatism is the only one running so I must assume that "you're" brand of conservatism is better represented by the NDP or the Liberals? .. and how's that working out for you these days?
You're wildly inconsistant and that's why everyone rejects you're "I'm a Conservative" bullshit. Give it a rest. You're just another Liberal party hack that's to dumb-stubborn too admit you're ruse has failed.
bootlegga @ Sat May 23, 2009 1:16 pm
I believe Poquas was once a PC, with the emphasis on Progressive. The Conservative party today is a far cry from the PCs I remember.
Wally_Sconce @ Sat May 23, 2009 1:29 pm
Most minority governments receive a vote of non-confidence at some point in their short life span.
The Dion/Layton/Duceppe coalition was different, it wasn't happy with forcing another election, it wanted to take power.
That is what most canadians didn't like about the recent coalition.
poquas @ Sat May 23, 2009 1:45 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
I believe Poquas was once a PC, with the emphasis on Progressive. The Conservative party today is a far cry from the PCs I remember.
The present PC party is nothing like that of pre-Mulroney.
I was fortunate to be at the convention when Joe Clark stunned us all by bowing out with a majority that he felt wasn’t high enough for him. Sure he was a bit of a boob, but a trustworthy boob. Much like Bob Stanfield.
When Mulroney got in, I had a bad feeling, and as it turned out for good reason. His second term was the only time (to date) I never voted even though I continued to support the party.
The Reform/Alliance has always been a problem. Disorganized, fractured and now incorporating the radical, U.S. styled religious right. Even with that I continued to support them.
After the last federal election, that was it. No more. I no longer give them money, and I will no longer vote Conservative until changes are made and I’ve made that clear every time they’ve contacted me.
Harper (much like RR), is a self absorbed, partisan hack who’s idea of politics is to simply point out the “other guys” perceived faults without any ability to address his own.
The core Reform guys running the party keep showing just enough of what they would do if they could is enough to convince me.
The Cadman thing was really the last straw. Harper is caught red-handed trying to buy a vote, and what does he do? Sue the Liberal party for spilling the beans. Harper and Mulroney are more the same than different.
Ridenrain fits right in with the present Conservative party. Incapable of rational independent thought. Loves the childish form of “gotcha” politics, and takes such silly enjoyment in the foibles of the other parties rather than willing to fix his own.
Fortunately, it appears that is about to end. Even if Iggy gets in, it’ll be worth it to get our own house in order.
Wally_Sconce @ Sat May 23, 2009 1:50 pm
Iggy needs to scrap some of the Liberal platform that isn't liberal.
There is nothing liberal about looking at the gun violence in Toronto, then supporting a gun registry that targets law abiding gun owners.
There is nothing liberal about removing direct funding to parents, and diverting the cashflow directly into a '1 size fits all' moneypit childcare system.