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Congratualtions--wiht that post you've officially relegated yourself to wingnut status.

   

No that's proof that conservatives can't even make toast wihtout screwing it all up.

   

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

   

I'd put a lot more trust in someone who studied and taught climatology that someone who studies fruit flies.

   

Here is John Allemang writing in 'The Globe and Mail'

The Greening of Stephen Harper

Ignore the Arctic's melting caps
The warnings on the weather maps,
The ozone layer's gaping holes,
But Stephen, don't ignore the polls.
When worried voters all go green,
A nation's leader must be seen
To turn his platform on a dime
And shift convictions just in time
To save, if not the polar bear,
At least his party's market share.

Your climate's changed, if not your views.
When once it pleased you to abuse
All those who dumped on CO2
As socialism's wrecking crew,
Now, you pretend to see the light
And fight Stephane Dion's good fight.
With born-again believer's zeal,
Just swear that global warming's real -
Adapt, unlike the polar bears,
And you'll survive the pollster's scares.

Those who like it, please congratulate John Allemang in person at the following email address:

[email protected]

   

The least Dr. Ball could do is bring some sceince to bear to his argument. He seems to spend most of his time talking about his personal situation. I'm not sure if Dr. Ball has changed his tune over the years, but last time I read his stuff he attributed the perception of global warming to "urban heat isalnds" (the tendency for urban areas, where many temperatures are measured, to be warmer than the surrounding area). Contrary to his assertion, the phenomenon of urban heat islands have ben explicitly considered in surface temerpature data sest.

He also is on record as stating that satellite data shows that temperatures have cooled since 1940. Right off the bat, this does not appear to acord with obersvations of glaciers retreating and other readily observable signs of warming. In fact, satellite data does show warming (see here for details).

He also asserts that global warming will be "good" for Canada--a strange claim sice he's so busty saying that there is nop global warming. Will it be good? There will be some good adn some bad. The bad will outweigh the good because when nature changes, we must adapt, and adapation costs money and energy.

Dr. Ball is part of a pretty small crowd now.

   

What the 'small Balls' don't realise, zipperfish, is that global warming which may make Canada slightly warmer, but it will be so devastating for the areas further south, that it will lead to a massive migration, involving a billion or more people.

There will be no humane way to stop them as they have the option of death or moving North. Europe, Russia and Canada will have the open spaces and will be forced to take a hundred times their present population.

   

And fight Stephane Dion's good fight?

What exactly did he fight?

   

I agree Iggy. The long and short of it is that Africa will get screwed--again. Countries, like Canada, with enough wealth to adapt will do so.

   

What's the best way to motivate the people to do what you want them to do? Fear! The fact is the earth will do what the earth wants to do as long as India, Pakistan, China....and the other poor nations of this world want to do. If you think just because we turn all of our factories off and everyone turns hippy and no longer burns fosil fuels that China is going to follow in our shadow, well you are just a fool.They will build bigger facories to make up for the maufacturing shortfall from North America and Europe and our world will continue to degrade.

Fact is, this planet is dying and our children's children's children will more than likely pay for the acts our grandparents carried out. i think you should just get over it and realize that's the way it is.

So why shoud we distroy our economy so that the Chinese can take over everthing and be the dictatorship that gains control over us. They would roll right over a liberal government because the liberals lack the ability to negotiate with foreign governments. They proved that with the forestry agreement between the US and BC/Quebec. The Conservatives came in and had the problem solved in 12 weeks. Says plenty about the future if the Liberals are in charge doesn't it. They lack the ability to get things done, and that people is something they admit. Why not keep the Conservatives in and get things done. Including a clean air bill that actually does more than cause the public to panic. Don't panic, we all have to die from something.

   

The latest U.N. report shows the "warming" debate is far from settled.

   

Before you go all self rightous liberal, I suggest you do a little research and get past the 'if the Globe and Mail says it it must be true' line of thinking. Ice core samples for example prove conclusively that CO2 rises AFTER the temperature increases. In other words, it is not the cause but rather the effect. But I'll be fair, show me one shred of evidence throughout the earths history of climate change that shows CO2 was even partially responsible and you may be in line for a Noble.

There are a number of other greenhouse gases that may in fact lead to warming and some my even be man induced but CO2 is neither a pollutant nor causes climate change.

   

You see,now, my answer wouldn't be fear. The best way to get people to do what you want them to do, in my opinion, is make it in their best interests to do so.

   

In my experience, I've found that only two things motivate people. Money and fear. Since the only money involved in the accord for Canada is the money going to India and China, I would say that only fear remains as a motivating factor. So far the Left has done an incredible job of scaring the crap out of the population. They are saying that if we don't act in the next ten years.....Why ten years? Is it because it gives them time to create another BS line like...Wow! We nearly got caught with our pants down, but you Canadians stepped up to the challenge and we faught climate change and won! (Loud applause from the peanut gallery) Fact is the earth's cycle does these things. I remember being a kid and having daily heat of 100'F in Kamloops from early morning till early evening. Now it's cooled down to where is was in the late 1890's. Does that mean anything? Nope. means people took temp readings as early as the 1890's to me and that we are seeing a cycle of temp changes coming and going.

This year we had a lot of storms come through the Island and Lower Mainland Vancouver. I thought it was something to be concerned of, but after talking with my father I began to realize that this sort of thing has happened before. We just didn't have someone telling us hte earth was coming to an end. That thought had me rethink everything. We may have some climate change, but I worry more about enviromental effects of stupid Liberals running us into something that has no future but a broken economy and a society of stressed out Canadians.

Last week the Global TV folks warned the West Coast of firecasted earthquakes here on the West coast. My neighbour was freaking out and making plans to leave the area because of the coming doom. This Sunday the fine folks at Global had to calm people by saying the earthquake was less likely to occur then what they had first reported. I wonder when the Liberals will tell all of Canada the environmental failure about to happen wasn't nearly as bad as they had first reported.

   

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