John Tory and the Ontario conservatives

First of all,I support the conservative party and Im` not changing that at all.But the recent election has kinda destroyed the image of the conservative party in Ontario.What was Joh Tory thinking?I`m sure no one had to be told that the idea of faith based school funding would send voters fleeing elsewhere.Voters are gonna keep moving away from the conservatives until they change their ways and Im` gonna tell you why.In every election,why is it that the conservatives have to always come up with plans to cut services and keep cutting,cutting and cutting and for what really?Besides,they just can`t campaign without promising anything that will make you feel embarassed to say you voted conservative.Right now,we need a new leader,John Tory needs to go,never mind his statements that 'much needs to be done.'He has become a liability and if he remains,things can only get worse for us.Does he have advisers and what do they do?It`s bad enough we already lost support to the Liberals and the NDP.I couldn`t even finish watching the results on television,that was just too painful,I was really pissed.Thanks to him,there`s going to be alot of noise about this issue from from non-christian religions,what a moron.I just had to get this off my chest.

John Tory brought new meaning to the phrase "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".

McGuinty made enough snafus over the years Tory should have at least reduced the Liberals to a minority or formed a minority government himself.

Someone dropped the ball big time on this one.

He was trying to play with the immigrant vote, if he just said he would crack down on illegals in Ontario he would have won.

The problem is the immigrant vote is always going liberal leave it there and go after your base.

well i agree the ontario pc party has some problems after what has happened this month , unfortuently it will take 4 years before they prove to voters they have fixed them.

as for john tory he deserves a role in the party but as for leader his days are likely now numbers as pc supporterd had expected more this election especially in the toronto area in seats and votes which was way down in some ridings .
just don't see where he can possibly lead the party after this mess .

myself i'm upset he was aware faith based issue was unpopular yet he still introduced it into campaign .that just really annoyed me to find that out, its one thing if policy backfires but its another if your aware its not sellable.

I didn't pay much attention to the election but why was he so hot to trot on the religious schools issue?

That seemed to be a political nightmare from the beginning.

i watched the agenda on TV the other night they discussed this , the muslims and other new comers groups were even saying "who asked for this ?, we didn't". the only group that really wanted this was the Jew vote which really doesn't surprise me because thats traditionally a PC vote. so it kind of makes sense in hindsight now. he just over estimated the power of the jewish lobby (amazing but true).

he only one who got in based on this idea was peter shurman (jewish) in the his primarily jewish riding.

so i hate to say this but now the jews have this their craw, its going to the supreme court. no one threatens the canadian govt's and wins like the good ol' jewish congress.

Even the chairwoman for the muslim congress on the show said this is a bad idea.

i think sometimes we have ideas about who's pushing for what and its really not the case at all

Be reminded that the religious schools idea was abandoned and should not have affected the vote. The Conservative lost on their own merit. Lack of something positive. Liberal look a like platform. Lack luster leadership. Meally mouthed. Another thing wrong with John Tory is he's a stuffed shirt. Says the Liberals are ignoring the workers of the north, recent immigrants, people that have lost their job and the poor but is only mouthing the words. He was four square behind a $8.00 minimum wage. I button holed people about the election and I didn't hear a single kind word about McGuinty, not one. The Conservatives should have at least held him to a minority. I don't think the Conservatives have much in the way of alternate leaders though. A new leader would have to start from zero recognition and build some identy.

I don't know about that Igloo. The funding religious schools quickly became an albatrose and when he said he'd call a free vote on it everyone knew it had been deep sixed.

I follow politics some, not a lot, which is more than most people. I thought John Tory was making progress in the run up to the campaign. He ditched the right wing stuff and started saying Conservatives were the party of substance, the Liberals the party of "flash". McGuinty was spending money on things that are marginal and he barely understands so it was a good ploy. I saw an article of his on how badly run OHIP was, complete with sightings of a whole coalition against the Liberals. And he talked about government as the Cabinet, whereas we know McGunity is a strongman. So that was all wonderful. Unfortunetly the election campaign committee sadled him with a Liberal like platform. Also John Tory goes on about the job loses and that and I get the feeling he's going through the motions. I think the concesus is he's a 3 out of 10, so who cares. There's not a lot of talent left on the Conservative bench, though. But, who cares.