National child care favoured over payout: study
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Scape @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:32 pm
If you can't afford to be sick, DON'T GET SICK!
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who get sick but cannot afford to pay for care?
$1:
if you choose to work, you can pay for your own childcare.
Assuming you can find child care.
ThePolitician @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:33 pm
torian torian:
Zoraja Zoraja:
THat tiny segment of the population you speak of, its not tiny. There are a lot of people that cannot afford child care.
Its called not being selfish. Just because you can afford to stay at home with your kids or send them to day care that is your choice, but not everybody is in that situation. I dont understand why you can spare the few pennies that it will atually cost you so that thousands of children will not be left at home alone, or put into the care of really bad babysittiers, or have their parent stay at home and thus need to be on welfare, cause you know that will cost a hell of a lot more.
Its called not being selfish. Just because you can afford to stay at home with your kids or send them to day care that is your choice, but not everybody is in that situation. I dont understand why you can spare the few pennies that it will atually cost you so that thousands of children will not be left at home alone, or put into the care of really bad babysittiers, or have their parent stay at home and thus need to be on welfare, cause you know that will cost a hell of a lot more.
if it is not tiny, give me the stats.
No,it's being selfless. DO you honestly feel that institutional daycare is the best way to raise kids? Really? With perfect strangers, who are paid minimum wage, who have NO vested interest in the well being of your kids, who go in for the paycheque, who leave and get replaced by the next ECE in line? The same ECE who is inundated with 30+ other kids who are begging for attention from SOME adult, because the time the parents spend with their own children is minimal? Where aggression is the norm? Where children are taught to behave the same way, to do the same things, who are not given a chance to explore and be creative thinkers and take initiate (a longitudinal study looking at the first round of daycare kids just entering the workforce).
Who said I can afford it? LOL! I own a 10+ car, I wear a jacket that is over 12 years old, secondhand. No vacations. No frills. I have a roof over my head, food to eat, heat to keep us warm and clothing to wear. But my kids are cared for by their mother. Not some stranger. When they are sick, they want me, not some ECE. When they want to play, they want me, not some ECE. You get the point.
Sorry, but no. Perhaps it will cost society more in the long run with what we are doing to our kids by farming them off to these places.
The 21 Bravo Salute!!
Well said!
torian @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:37 pm
ThePolitician ThePolitician:
You're never going to find a system that works for all involved. So just reduce taxes to compensate and let parents decide what's best for their children.
That way those with kids get more money for daycare or to offset the cost of being at home to be with your kids; and those without kids get to keep their cash.
Done and done.
That way those with kids get more money for daycare or to offset the cost of being at home to be with your kids; and those without kids get to keep their cash.
Done and done.
exactly
PluggyRug @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:40 pm
Scape Scape:
If you can't afford to be sick, DON'T GET SICK!
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who get sick but cannot afford to pay for care?
Assuming you can find child care.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who get sick but cannot afford to pay for care?
$1:
if you choose to work, you can pay for your own childcare.
Assuming you can find child care.
Having children is a choice, getting sick is not.
Zoraja @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:40 pm
torian torian:
Zoraja Zoraja:
THat tiny segment of the population you speak of, its not tiny. There are a lot of people that cannot afford child care.
Its called not being selfish. Just because you can afford to stay at home with your kids or send them to day care that is your choice, but not everybody is in that situation. I dont understand why you can spare the few pennies that it will atually cost you so that thousands of children will not be left at home alone, or put into the care of really bad babysittiers, or have their parent stay at home and thus need to be on welfare, cause you know that will cost a hell of a lot more.
Its called not being selfish. Just because you can afford to stay at home with your kids or send them to day care that is your choice, but not everybody is in that situation. I dont understand why you can spare the few pennies that it will atually cost you so that thousands of children will not be left at home alone, or put into the care of really bad babysittiers, or have their parent stay at home and thus need to be on welfare, cause you know that will cost a hell of a lot more.
if it is not tiny, give me the stats.
No,it's being selfless. DO you honestly feel that institutional daycare is the best way to raise kids? Really? With perfect strangers, who are paid minimum wage, who have NO vested interest in the well being of your kids, who go in for the paycheque, who leave and get replaced by the next ECE in line? The same ECE who is inundated with 30+ other kids who are begging for attention from SOME adult, because the time the parents spend with their own children is minimal? Where aggression is the norm? Where children are taught to behave the same way, to do the same things, who are not given a chance to explore and be creative thinkers and take initiate (a longitudinal study looking at the first round of daycare kids just entering the workforce).
Who said I can afford it? LOL! I own a 10+ car, I wear a jacket that is over 12 years old, secondhand. No vacations. No frills. I have a roof over my head, food to eat, heat to keep us warm and clothing to wear. But my kids are cared for by their mother. Not some stranger. When they are sick, they want me, not some ECE. When they want to play, they want me, not some ECE. You get the point.
Sorry, but no. Perhaps it will cost society more in the long run with what we are doing to our kids by farming them off to these places.
No its not the best way, but it is better than the alternativies. Not everybody has the opportunity to stay at home with their children. You shoudl consider yourself lucky that you can be that lazy. Maybe if you got off your ass and got a job you could get a newer car, coat, go on vacations, and you children could learn to work with other children in a group setting like day care. But ya know what you dont have to, that is your choice. But if your husband died, left you, or whatever, allyou would have nothing and no way to care for those kids, I bet you would have a new appreciation for programs like this. Maybe then you would not be so spoiled.
Im sorry if I am being a little harsh, but having this program is not harming you and it is helping a lot of people so I dont understand why you wont just let it be.
Scape @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:45 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Scape Scape:
If you can't afford to be sick, DON'T GET SICK!
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who get sick but cannot afford to pay for care?
Assuming you can find child care.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who get sick but cannot afford to pay for care?
$1:
if you choose to work, you can pay for your own childcare.
Assuming you can find child care.
Having children is a choice, getting sick is not.
Supporting your family is an obligation and a responsibility. Many families can't even find suitable child care never mind paying for it. This issue has been and always shall be accessibility. You are juxtaposing obligation with accessibility.
ThePolitician @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:53 pm
Zoraja Zoraja:
No its not the best way, but it is better than the alternativies. Not everybody has the opportunity to stay at home with their children. You shoudl consider yourself lucky that you can be that lazy. Maybe if you got off your ass and got a job you could get a newer car, coat, go on vacations, and you children could learn to work with other children in a group setting like day care. But ya know what you dont have to, that is your choice. But if your husband died, left you, or whatever, allyou would have nothing and no way to care for those kids, I bet you would have a new appreciation for programs like this. Maybe then you would not be so spoiled.
This statement proves to me that you are completely ignorant to the situation.
You are a 21 year old young adult that doesn't live in Canada and probably doesn't have any kids. If I remember correctly you are a student and have probably never been in the full time, support yourself workforce.
Please get down off your soapbox and zip it until the day that you may have an understanding of what you are talking about!
Zoraja @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:53 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
If you can't afford to take care of your children, then DON"T HAVE ANY.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who have kids but cannot afford to take care of them.
We waited until we were financially ok BEFORE we had any children.
I am a college instructor and I see many unmarried mothers come through my classes. A common topic of conversation is "how much child support are you getting" or "how did you manage to claim that much". I feel sorry for the children who are passed from pillar to post because of irresponsible parenting. OK rant off.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who have kids but cannot afford to take care of them.
We waited until we were financially ok BEFORE we had any children.
I am a college instructor and I see many unmarried mothers come through my classes. A common topic of conversation is "how much child support are you getting" or "how did you manage to claim that much". I feel sorry for the children who are passed from pillar to post because of irresponsible parenting. OK rant off.
It doesnot always work like that and you know it. Yeah you shoudl not have children if you cannot support them, I completely agree. But people do leave their children, people do die, and accidents do happen.
I think it is horrible for parents to have children they cannot support it is utterly rediculous. But I cannot decide what happens to other people or make their decidions for them. In the end you just have to accept that with preventitive programs in place these things wil lstill happen sometiems and you have todeal with it.
You know it would be far worse to not have this program because it would mean that a lot of these children would be neglected, or put in very bad situations. That is why programs like this came about.
I really dont understand why people are so against it, can anybody actually present a good reason why we shoudl not have this program?
ThePolitician @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:57 pm
Zoraja Zoraja:
I really dont understand why people are so against it, can anybody actually present a good reason why we shoudl not have this program?
You're looking at it the wrong way. Using your logic I could say "Can anyone tell me why we shouldn't have 1 teacher for every student in Canada?". Sure it seems good to have it, but these things aren't free and aren't the best for every child.
People do not want the government saying "our way or the highway" and that is what the Liberal plan was pushing towards.
PluggyRug @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:08 pm
Zoraja Zoraja:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
If you can't afford to take care of your children, then DON"T HAVE ANY.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who have kids but cannot afford to take care of them.
We waited until we were financially ok BEFORE we had any children.
I am a college instructor and I see many unmarried mothers come through my classes. A common topic of conversation is "how much child support are you getting" or "how did you manage to claim that much". I feel sorry for the children who are passed from pillar to post because of irresponsible parenting. OK rant off.
Why should any government have to take any responsibility for irresponsible people who have kids but cannot afford to take care of them.
We waited until we were financially ok BEFORE we had any children.
I am a college instructor and I see many unmarried mothers come through my classes. A common topic of conversation is "how much child support are you getting" or "how did you manage to claim that much". I feel sorry for the children who are passed from pillar to post because of irresponsible parenting. OK rant off.
It doesnot always work like that and you know it. Yeah you shoudl not have children if you cannot support them, I completely agree. But people do leave their children, people do die, and accidents do happen.
I think it is horrible for parents to have children they cannot support it is utterly rediculous. But I cannot decide what happens to other people or make their decidions for them. In the end you just have to accept that with preventitive programs in place these things wil lstill happen sometiems and you have todeal with it.
You know it would be far worse to not have this program because it would mean that a lot of these children would be neglected, or put in very bad situations. That is why programs like this came about.
I really dont understand why people are so against it, can anybody actually present a good reason why we shoudl not have this program?
Yes it does work like that, it also worked for 100's of years before governments got involved. Child programmes have become another scam for irresponsible people. Putting kids into childcare is a form of neglect.
Having these programmes is a fundamental cause of some of the problems families find themselves in.
Sir Edmund Hillary when asked why he climbed Mt Everest..."because it's there."
torian @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:14 pm
Zoraja Zoraja:
No its not the best way, but it is better than the alternativies. Not everybody has the opportunity to stay at home with their children. You shoudl consider yourself lucky that you can be that lazy. Maybe if you got off your ass and got a job you could get a newer car, coat, go on vacations, and you children could learn to work with other children in a group setting like day care. But ya know what you dont have to, that is your choice. But if your husband died, left you, or whatever, allyou would have nothing and no way to care for those kids, I bet you would have a new appreciation for programs like this. Maybe then you would not be so spoiled.
Im sorry if I am being a little harsh, but having this program is not harming you and it is helping a lot of people so I dont understand why you wont just let it be.
Im sorry if I am being a little harsh, but having this program is not harming you and it is helping a lot of people so I dont understand why you wont just let it be.
wow.
First off, you don't know me. How fucking DARE you call me lazy!!!!
I don't want the 2nd car (bad for the environment), the new coat (but I'll buy one for my kids), vacations. I do however want to raise my kids to be productive members of society with values I hold dear and not some values of some 20 year old ECE.
How do you know I would have nothing if my husband died? Do you know me? You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right?
As for the lazy part, let me tell you something. Before I had kids I was conducting brain research. Sounds hard, right? Well, raising kids is 1000X harder than that career ever was, and is is 1000X more rewarding and 1000X more important than that career ever was.
So now, as I am a relatively polite person unless pushed, I say with most sincerity:
Go FUCK YOURSELF
fatbasturd @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:18 pm
The shit bucket has been kicked right out of the ball park.....meowwwwww 
ThePolitician @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:56 pm
Torian has hit the nail on the head!
Zoraja @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:10 pm
We've all raised kids, and we've all had jobs. Each of us will find different things hard and different things easy.
I highly doubt we are ever goign to agree on this.
I have presented my opinion and you are all free to yours. There is no point reiterating mine. So enjoy your selfish ignorance.
Hester @ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:57 pm
Zoraja Zoraja:
We've all raised kids, and we've all had jobs. Each of us will find different things hard and different things easy.
I highly doubt we are ever goign to agree on this.
I have presented my opinion and you are all free to yours. There is no point reiterating mine. So enjoy your selfish ignorance.
I highly doubt we are ever goign to agree on this.
I have presented my opinion and you are all free to yours. There is no point reiterating mine. So enjoy your selfish ignorance.
How many kids have you had?
Zoraja Zoraja:
Im sorry if I am being a little harsh
You're not being harsh, you're just being you: a seemingly uneducated, rude, ignorant, fucking tramp. You should stay away from CKA, it's making you stupid - you've been getting more stupid every day you've been here. Go back to what you're good at: sucking on your boyfriend's neck.
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