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And it is predictable that no matter what the topic is PJB will come along and add his two cents even though he has not the slightest clue about what the topic is about.

   

Funny that the only time I notice PJB post is in response to Donny - speaking of tired.

   

I just got back from the states. Sounds like a lot of schools there--ahh! also sounds like a bunch of schools here too. In fact, sounds like when I was in school and I graduated in 1967. Ain't just on reserves bub, ain't just on reserves.

   

Funny, I just spent a pleasant summer day, (June 21st) on Onion Lake Reserve north of Lloydminster. Didn't hear a word about me being white (or my wife for that matter). Just people enjoying themselves, talking about hunting, and their jobs and kids. Nice day and hard to leave and come back north!

   

People tend to treat you the way you treat them. Racists get racist attitude.

   

   

i gotta do this again...i didnt do it right.....besides if i repeat it...it mite be understood ....ok heres what you said.....when the european ancesters arrived....we didnt inhabit all goegraphical entity known as canada..you white PPL arrived only 500 yrs ago...that would be at about year 1500..that aint very long ago...there was lotta tribes,,,different tribes all accros...this country...not to mention...stateside too....Hiada,,,in west coast..mohawks n iroqua...in the east coast...inuit up north maaann..there was lotta tirbes...all accros north america,,,canada,,n....usa......do u got hard evidence???...or did ur personal opinions...blew outtta ur ass....u should keep where they belong....up ur ass

   

Read it – it didn’t specifically address nor substantiate your erroneous assertion that it had a “HUGE” influence (by the way, that’s your word not mine, an it’s not needling as it denotes a measurement of influence). You may Xerox and ape whatever abridged sections from whatever book you see fit, but that’s not good history. Where is the historiographical analysis, cause/effect relationship establishments, tangible evidence that links the Iroquoian Confederacy with contemporary American political thought while simultaneously eliminating competing influences that are clearly noted by primary sources (like Enlightenment thought, individual actor relationships and Western political thought – from Greece through Rome to Britain)? While Amerindians did have some influence (through direct contact and cultural drift) no serious student of history would conclude that they had a “Huge” impact on the American governmental development.



It’s online, so maybe I will, but so far, it doesn’t suggest a “monumental” or “huge” influence existed insomuch as it simply establishes there was one. That wasn’t your point as you deliberately ascribed a measure of influence which suggested “huge” and that is also at the expense of European influences – none of which you’ve addressed yet.



Thanks – it gums up the forum. I’ll counter that by not listing the Enlightenment era philosophy that did definitely did have an influence.



Thanks…I’m glad you gave it for free, since that’s also how you got it. The problem with your quote is that it fails to address the accepted, tangible influences that did exist prior to the drafting of the Articles of Confederation and the subsequent “Great Compromise” (and you haven’t dealt with who influenced the competing Virginia and New Jersey Plans of 1787).

Did the Iroquoian Confederacy predate the American Revolution? Yes. Did some primary actors have contact and admit some influence in constructing a governing political philosophy? Yes. Does that prove that it had a “huge” influence and should be subsequently acknowledged as a founding and primary ideological and philosophical component of 18th century American republicanism? No. It fails to address the countless other influences and as such, there is not realistic reason to assume that its influence was more than cursory and a result of cultural drift.

Your point therefore is still overstated and historically invalid.

   

OK! let's all mellow out for a sec here.

So somebody back there said that the biggest racsists are on reserves. I can't deny that there are racsists on reserves, but most Aboriginals work hard to fight it. Consider programs like Native dancing, people of any culture can join it, or the Nechi institution, they get people from all over the world. Just a week ago one of my White friends went to a Cree singer for counsel, that's not even his job and helped her (she figured since he was old he was an elder and the person to go to).

As far as all the racsisme in here goes, wich I seem to be picking up from "the fact remains" and whoever, let's just calm her down for a second. yes the Europaeans came from Europe and conquered North America by whatever means (situations vary). A big part of Native culture however, is sharing, and I think that we can share the land with the Europaeans and the peoples of Europaean decent here. We should not let the past evoke racsism, but learn from it and the mistakes all the peoples made back then. There is no sense in slapping modern Europaeans for past deeds, I'm sure most of the people in here wouldn't commit certain acts made by both sides-- so can we all just be friends?

Now, for more strait relevance.

I have read several times before that the Gayanashagowa influenced both the American Constitution and the United Nations Charter. I have however, never been exposed to the specific examples. I am sure however, that the Iroquois constitution and the American, and United Nations Charter all have similar grounds in that they all create a sort of basis for confederation.


-fifeboy

I agree.

Ok, somewhere in this post I messed the quoting up so I may have to edit that a little.

   

Bigot, why would I give the likes of you evidence? What would you do with it, anyway? Print it and wipe your ass with it or simply yell and scream at the monitor while you continue to inundate us with an inside look at how the trainable cognitively challenged try to function with c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r-s? In any event, you are still a bigoted halfwit that can’t stand the fact that his culture has been supplanted by Western ideals and while you bitch and moan about them, you hypocritically reap their rewards. Hey, how’s the I-n-t-e-r-n-e-t? Another fine invention by Whitey!

   

Ya she's a little messy, shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Sorry about the double post.

   

ROTFL

   

For those of you who dont know what Brocket 99 is,here you go.

Brocket 99

Cruise through the site,take what you read about who made it with a grain of salt. I know who made it.

   

Right, I have read that the Gayanahagowa influenced both the American consitution and the United Nations Charter. All three of these constitutions deal with the uniting of states and should all thus bear similarities. I have never read of a "HUGE" impact, but I am not greatly educated on the Gayanashagowa and so can't say for sure.



"his culture has been supplanted by Western ideals". I'm not sure how to argue this one... Several of us still live as we did but we are now immersed in White society. This is not because the "ideals" of Europaeans supplanted our own, there were several factors wich led to the breakdown of our culture before the White man's. The two most notable are probably population and disease, there is an endless supply of White men, Indians can win military victories against the Whites with no material consequences, but one loss for the Indians is almost always a decisive one. Disease did what to the Huron? In any case, my point is that our culture was not "supplanted" because of superior ideals.

Now I have to admit that I have been too lazy to read all of this debate, so I would appreciate somebody pointing out for me if I go off the current topic or something.

   

We do enjoy White man's benefit's now. But most us have suffered from them. All the same, I'm certain that we can integrate the cultures.

   

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