Previous  1  2  3

Senate Reform is a Solution looking for an Problem.

   

I want Senate Reform, but from what I understand from Paradox, it's impossible.

Even if we went to the level of provincial involvement, Quebec or Ontario would veto Senate Reform.

Even if 99.99% of the public in a symbolic non-binding vote demanded it nothing would happen.

Best way is for Tory governments at the fed. level to appoint as many pro-"Tripple E" Senators as possible to make this possible at some point in the future.

   

your saying i don't understand our sysytem of government , remind me then what party won the last election and formed the government . its wasn't the liberal party or the ndp or the bloc. the conservative party was elected as the government , the liberal senate was not elected and as far as i'm concerned is undemocratic and not serving canadiands best interets .

the average canadian doesn't give a dam about the legalities of the constituition , they simply voted for a government and expect thats the type of government they will get.

the liberals are just using the senate as an excuse to still try and determine what laws are passed as they attempt to run the country and set the agenda.

   

Many Canadians, myself included, believe that the method through which this Government is endeavouring the reform the Senate is unconstitutional. The Senate, and myself, are of the opinion that the Government requires the consent of at least seven Legislative Assemblies of the Provinces, representing at least fifty per cent of the Canadian population. The Senate has kindly offered to resume consideration of Bill S-4 once the Supreme Court of Canada has delivered an opinion as to whether or not the bill is constitutional (though, I should think it is certainly not so).

Also bear in mind that when the Government does introduce a motion to launch constitutional negotiations for Senate reform, the Provinces of Ontario, Québec, British Columbia and Alberta are each entitled to unilateral vetoes over the amendment. Senate reform is a long and arduous process, and rightly so—such reform would be tampering with one of our most basic and fundamental constitutional principles, that of sober second thought.

The Senate is responsible for ensuring the constitionality of the legislation brought before it.





what exactly is the liberals problem / reason for being so againts an elected senate/ senate reform anyways. If your liberal senate is so popular and the "majority " of canadians supposedly support all these liberal causes then why not put these senators up for re-election or election in the first place.

if there so popular then why not ? its only fair us average canadians get a say on this i think .

   

That's many words to say "self serving" or as you say "protect themselves"

Again I rest my case. Point proven. Still more pudding left.

   

Learn to read. I said nothing of the sort—current senators would not be affected if they passed these reforms. They are considering the reforms according to the best interests of Canadians and the intentions of the Constitution Acts, 1867–1982. You seem, PluggyRug, to be exercising the habitual Conservative trend of repeating falsehoods in lieu of debate.

   

Well maybe it's to counter the Liberal trend of Spin and nitpicking.

and....maybe their own best interests....after all they are senators...the Roman Empire did fall you know. Passing the reforms would serve the best interests of all Canadians.

I wish for senate reform, does that mean I am a closet Liberal.

   

Absolutely not.

The Liberal Party in the House of Commons has in fact been pushing for their honourable senators to pass these reforms—they even urged their own senators to pass the federal budget. I have lost faith in the leadership of The Honourable Stéphane Dion P.C. M.P. (Saint-Laurent—Cartierville), the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition. I must resign myself to supporting the Senate caucus first and foremost, while hoping that the Commons caucus once again finds its way before the next general election. I wouldn’t hold my breath under Mr. Dion’s hot-dogging around—er, leadership, I meant to say.

   

This is excellent. Canada can never meet these targets, every one knows it.

If the Libs and NDP push too hard for the government to meet them, Harper gets the excuse to call an election on "Jobs vs Envrionment."

The CPC will win that in a heartbeat.

   

Actually, the prime minister has no right to advise a general election over any issue.

This Government of Canada caused to be enacted a statute which forbids the prime minister from advising Her Excellency The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C. C.M.M. C.O.M. C.D., the Governor General of Canada, to dissolve the Parliament of Canada except in the case of a successful expression of non-confidence in the Government. Canada, unfortunately, is now subject to fixed election dates.

   

This stupid private member's bill (both bill and private member) is in principle a non-confidence matter. The KYOTO targets are not only imposible but futile, hence in principle when the deadline arrives the government must resign. Then the GG must decide whether to call an election or ask Dionne if he can form a government, which is another futile exercise.

Hard science and reality are catching up with "The Great global Warming Swindle."

The longstanding media CO2 AGW is easilly exposed for what it is and it's supporters will swing from lampposts which is just and appropriate.

When push comes toshove no intelligent political party will contemplate fighting and election on this whether they have Suzuki's support or not....only the Greens and Layton are potentially that dumb...and even they are smarter than that. It would involve staking everything on a known scam...and they all know it.....only the hockey pucks and useful idiots haven't figured it out yet.

The real deniers are the CO2 AGW crowd.

Despite all the literature devoted to it, the real cause of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire was the end of the "Roman Warming" (200 BC to 400 AD).

   

Previous  1  2  3