Newly passed law requiring Harper to respect its emissions-c
Whos_Voting_Oil @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:29 pm
I guess we won't find out until 2020? Others may not have faith in your plan John but thanks for trying!
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said his government's climate plan will curb greenhouse gases by 20 per cent by 2020, although three studies have debunked the plan since Baird released it in April.
Newly passed law requiring Harpers government to respect its emissions-cutting
Mon Jun 25, 12:10 PM
TORONTO (CP) - Environment Minister John Baird says the Conservative government won't dismiss a newly passed law requiring Canada to respect its emissions-cutting commitments under the Kyoto Protocol.
But he says he's not putting forward a new environment plan either. Baird says the time for studying and developing new plans is over, and that the government is already moving on a "realistic" plan to tackle climate change.
He says the government will follow through with the "technical letter" of the bill, but won't waste another six months studying the issue and commissioning more reports.
The private members' bill gives the government 60 days to prepare a climate plan with measures to ensure that Canada meets its obligation under the Kyoto treaty. Those include a six-per-cent cut in greenhouse gas emissions from 1990 levels by 2012.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said his government's climate plan will curb greenhouse gases by 20 per cent by 2020, although three studies have debunked the plan since Baird released it in April.
Bodah @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:52 pm
Liberal dominated senate ? ........ say it ain't so !!!!
Lets try an achieve the unachievable !!!! woo- whoo !!!!
Paradox @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:06 pm
It’s good to see the Senate of Canada is standing up for Canadians.
Let’s be clear here—the Government of Canada’s failure of a budget only passed by virtue of these concessions. The Senate let pass a controversial and shameful budget bill, recognising the dominance of the House of Commons, while ensuring that Canadians have now come into the environmental protections of the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act. That legislation, duly passed and enacted in the Parliament Assembled of Canada, is the law—there is no room for interpretation, in terms of the effects and requirements thereof. I’m sure all Canadians appreciate the hard work and dedication of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition in the Senate.
ryan29 @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:11 pm
guess the liberal senate figures they can pass whatever they want and force the government to follow there lead.
this did pass the house of commons but without government support so its kinda odd it has become law.
Paradox @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:15 pm
ryan29 ryan29:
guess the liberal senate figures they can pass whatever they want and force the government to follow there lead.
this did pass the house of commons but without government support so its kinda odd it has become law.
this did pass the house of commons but without government support so its kinda odd it has become law.
The Government is the executive, and the Senate and Commons are the legislative. Parliament does not require the Government’s approval or support in order to pass legislation. That “[L]iberal [S]enate” passed, as you so suggest, the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act with the support of some senators from the Government of Canada in the Senate itself. Parliament and Government are two mutually exclusive, though sometimes overlapping, institutions.
ryan29 @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:20 pm
Paradox Paradox:
It’s good to see the Senate of Canada is standing up for Canadians.
Let’s be clear here—the Government of Canada’s failure of a budget only passed by virtue of these concessions. The Senate let pass a controversial and shameful budget bill, recognising the dominance of the House of Commons, while ensuring that Canadians have now come into the environmental protections of the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act. That legislation, duly passed and enacted in the Parliament Assembled of Canada, is the law—there is no room for interpretation, in terms of the effects and requirements thereof. I’m sure all Canadians appreciate the hard work and dedication of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition in the Senate.
Let’s be clear here—the Government of Canada’s failure of a budget only passed by virtue of these concessions. The Senate let pass a controversial and shameful budget bill, recognising the dominance of the House of Commons, while ensuring that Canadians have now come into the environmental protections of the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act. That legislation, duly passed and enacted in the Parliament Assembled of Canada, is the law—there is no room for interpretation, in terms of the effects and requirements thereof. I’m sure all Canadians appreciate the hard work and dedication of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition in the Senate.
but canadians didn't vote for the liberal dominated senate , is the senate going to continue passing bills like this into the future even if the liberals aren't in power ?
and if they do is that right , should the senate be able to do this ?
ryan29 @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:25 pm
Paradox Paradox:
ryan29 ryan29:
guess the liberal senate figures they can pass whatever they want and force the government to follow there lead.
this did pass the house of commons but without government support so its kinda odd it has become law.
this did pass the house of commons but without government support so its kinda odd it has become law.
The Government is the executive, and the Senate and Commons are the legislative. Parliament does not require the Government’s approval or support in order to pass legislation. That “[L]iberal [S]enate” passed, as you so suggest, the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act with the support of some senators from the Government of Canada in the Senate itself. Parliament and Government are two mutually exclusive, though sometimes overlapping, institutions.
is it really right for opposition parties to pass laws , since they are not the governemnt and weren't voted for as the government .
they were only elected as opposition mp's which usually have little or no power to pass laws. it just doesn't seem right to me for opposition parties to pass laws and tell the governemnt what to do.
Scrappy @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:29 pm
No it the Senate shouldn't be allowed to pursue a Liberal agenda when Canadians voted for the Conservative Party and it's policies. We didn't elected the Senators and they aren't acting in Canada's best interest but their own. It's a dark day for democracy when our Prime Minister can be "Black Mailed" by these over paid paper pushers, for a life time of course. We the tax payers will be paying for a environmental plan that could bleed us dry. Thankyou Liberal Senators for acting on your own best interest and ignoring what voting Canadians wanted. The liberals are still running this country even though they were't elected to do so, Canada is no longer a democratic country in my opinion. Hail Communism and the Liberal Party of Canada.
Paradox @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:32 pm
You apparently don’t understand our system of government, ryan29.
The Government does not legislate—Parliament legislates. Some sixty-four per cent of Canadians voted for parties that supported the Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act and, thus, it was passed by the House of Commons and, after much thorough debate, the Senate. The right to legislate for Canada is possessed entirely by Parliament—not the Government of Canada.
If the Government believes that this legislation is so deterimental to this nation, then they may exercise s. 56 of the Constitution Act, 1867, and advise Her Majesty The Queen of Canada to overrule Her Excellency The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada, and to veto this legislation. If they believe so strongly against it, at least.
I would remind all members that this legislation has been passed by the democratically-elected House of Commons, and was supported by the Liberal Party of Canada, the Bloc Québécois, and the New Democratic Party of Canada. It astounds me that members here would suggest that the Senate should actively and habitually reject legislation passed by the Lower House.
Rev_Blair @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:32 pm
$1:
they were only elected as opposition mp's which usually have little or no power to pass laws. it just doesn't seem right to me for opposition parties to pass laws and tell the governemnt what to do.
No, they were elected as representatives of their constituents, not as opposition MPs. The majority of Canadians voted for representatives who support Kyoto. The majority of Canadians, when polled, support Kyoto. What right does the Harper government have to ignore both the majority of elected representatives and the majority of Canadians?
Rev_Blair @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:36 pm
$1:
No it the Senate shouldn't be allowed to pursue a Liberal agenda when Canadians voted for the Conservative Party and it's policies. We didn't elected the Senators and they aren't acting in Canada's best interest but their own.
Most Canadians didn't vote for the Conservatives though, Scrappy. Most Canadians voted for parties that support Kyoto and C-288. By your own logic, it would be wrong for the Senate to kill a bill that was passed by the House of Commons.
sandorski @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:44 pm
Let us not forget that the Conservatives **do not** have even a Majority Government. You'd think they had a Record breaking Majority the way the Senate issue is being bandied about.
Bodah @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:44 pm
Paradox Paradox:
It’s good to see the Senate of Canada is standing up for Canadians.
Speak for yourself, when it comes to the eco-hysteria industry, global warming, well its called climate change now because global warming has lost its ummph. I've had enough of it. Its a bunch of horse shit. Especially when the goal is unatainable , not too mention the blatant hypocrisy of it all. Its a joke.
Its just a way for liberals senators to set up the cons in the future saying, look they couldn't do it ?
Whats the point the liberals didn't do shit for 13 years about it either.
Paradox Paradox:
Let’s be clear here—the Government of Canada’s failure of a budget only passed by virtue of these concessions. The Senate let pass a controversial and shameful budget bill, recognising the dominance of the House of Commons,
That's rich considering they're not passing Harper's senate reform bill that while ignoring the "dominance" of the house and likely what a majority of Canadians want.
Paradox @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:49 pm
Bodah Bodah:
That's rich considering they're not passing Harper's senate reform bill that while ignoring the "dominance" of the house and likely what a majority of Canadians want.
Many Canadians, myself included, believe that the method through which this Government is endeavouring the reform the Senate is unconstitutional. The Senate, and myself, are of the opinion that the Government requires the consent of at least seven Legislative Assemblies of the Provinces, representing at least fifty per cent of the Canadian population. The Senate has kindly offered to resume consideration of Bill S-4 once the Supreme Court of Canada has delivered an opinion as to whether or not the bill is constitutional (though, I should think it is certainly not so).
Also bear in mind that when the Government does introduce a motion to launch constitutional negotiations for Senate reform, the Provinces of Ontario, Québec, British Columbia and Alberta are each entitled to unilateral vetoes over the amendment. Senate reform is a long and arduous process, and rightly so—such reform would be tampering with one of our most basic and fundamental constitutional principles, that of sober second thought.
The Senate is responsible for ensuring the constitionality of the legislation brought before it.
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Bodah @ Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:16 pm
Paradox Paradox:
Bodah Bodah:
Paradox Paradox:
That's rich considering they're not passing Harper's senate reform bill that while ignoring the "dominance" of the house and likely what a majority of Canadians want.
Many Canadians, myself included, believe that the method through which this Government is endeavouring the reform the Senate is unconstitutional. The Senate, and myself, are of the opinion that the Government requires the consent of at least seven Legislative Assemblies of the Provinces, representing at least fifty per cent of the Canadian population. The Senate has kindly offered to resume consideration of Bill S-4 once the Supreme Court of Canada has delivered an opinion as to whether or not the bill is constitutional (though, I should think it is certainly not so).
Also bear in mind that when the Government does introduce a motion to launch constitutional negotiations for Senate reform, the Provinces of Ontario, Québec, British Columbia and Alberta are each entitled to unilateral vetoes over the amendment. Senate reform is a long and arduous process, and rightly so—such reform would be tampering with one of our most basic and fundamental constitutional principles, that of sober second thought.
The Senate is responsible for ensuring the constitionality of the legislation brought before it.
[youtube width=400 height=300]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xPv2vMAkZWA[/youtube]
Ok I see your point, and thank you by the way on the detailed information regarding the administrative inner workings of our government, I learnt something.
But do you personally have a problem with elected senators as opposed to appointed senators? Also, would you have a problem with 8 year terms instead of 45 year terms? Here's something else I would of included if I was Haprer , isn't it important for them to show up at East or West Block where ever the hell they work, every monday morningf like the rest of them/us on a regular basis in order to earn their pay ?