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Every once and a while, we have some real and honest reporting in our media. Here is a good example of it...

http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columni ... 64133.html

Bravo Eric! Our country needs more folks like you to speak the truth. Perhaps if we had more balanced and informative reporting rather than the typical flag-waving American rhetoric getting spewed to the gullible and uninformed public, we would have our government held accountable for their actions.

   

Just another Ultra-Lib who says that no plan is better than anything. I gotta good idea, let him go to Pakistan and for a change criticize the Taliban and OBL in the papers and media there. If he gets kidnapped ,we'll see how "balanced and informative" he is when either the Taliban or Al Queda show a video of him with his head about to be cut off.

Bravo?

Oh yeah very easy to be brave when taking advatange of the freedoms that our service people are fighting to defend, they should give a medal


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

His death
On January 23, 2002, on his way to an interview with a supposed terrorist leader, Pearl was kidnapped by a militant group calling itself The National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty. This group claimed Pearl was a spy, and — using the e-mail address [email protected] — sent the United States a range of demands, including the freeing of all Pakistani terror detainees, and the release of a halted U.S. shipment of F-16 fighter jets to the Pakistani government.

The message read:

We give u one more day if America will not meet our demands we will kill Daniel. Then this cycle will continue and no American journalist could enter Pakistan.
Photos of Pearl handcuffed with a gun at his head and holding up a newspaper were attached. There was no response to pleas from Pearl's editor, and from his wife Mariane who was pregnant with their first child.

Six days later, Pearl was murdered by having his throat slit. The men later severed his head. Pearl's body was found in a shallow grave in the outskirts of Karachi on May 16. His body was brought home to the United States and he was interred in the Mount Sinai Memorial Park Cemetery in Los Angeles, California.

   

What is your point??

   

My message got mixed up in the middle of the quote... so here it is once again.

You think that he believes that no plan is better than anything??... you must not have even read the article, and allowed some of his words take hold in your brain. Clearly, you know little about what is really going on, where Mr. Margolis does.

Once again, you have no clue. Our troops aren't "defending our freedom", which is so popular a belief so many of you arm-chair quarterbacks hold near and dear to your heart. This isn't WWII, so put down your flag and study some history. Our country was never threatened by Afghanistan, and neither was the US.

What does Daniel Pearl have to do with this?

   

Its just another Ultra-Lib article telling people what an awful place pakistan is, we should have never been there, were tools of the americans, the Taliban are unbeatable, the pashtuns are towering giants etc etc. If we listened to guys like this we would still be standing around scratching our asses and hoping that the Current Fuhrer of NaziGermany that owns all of Europe, Russia, Africa and the middle east will be neice to us?

This 'jounalist' has no plan other than to leave. And what to you think that the Islamofacists are going to do if we do. Just sit around and play patty-cake and sip sweet tea. No they are going to come here, or recruit people here. For Gods sake its like every Ultra-Lib in this country would like to see Canadian service people fail in thier efforts to protect us because it would make them feel tht they were right all along. So thats why NATO is over there protecting us be trying to defeat them and prevent them from coming here.

And if you dont realize that , then just toddle along back to your smoke filled coffee house and have a cappucino. Because you never will

   

   

Once again, what what your point in posting information regarding Daniel Pearl?

This "journalist" happens to have a perspective on this affair that doesn't support the "let's Roll" attitude that you happen to have... that's why you don't agree with it. Once again, you bring up WWII and compare the two, when in fact they aren't even close to being the same. The only thing similar is the fact that Bush has brought war into the Middle East with no provocation... which happens to be similar to the manner in which Hitler brought war and conflict into Europe.

Since when did the Afghans pose a threat to Canada or even our allies for that manner? And before you answer that question with the typical rhetoric... 911, scary terrorists, etc... think for a moment. These Islamic "fundamentals" have been fighting amongst themselves for decades, and never brought war into our country. Why should we occupy this country to only add fuel to the fire? Russia tried this, as did many other countries.

Why would we be their in the first place? You make a point about leaving not being a good option... when in fact there is no good reason to be there in the first place! Give me a GOOD reason for our country to be occupying this country... not suggest that since we are now over there, we ought to stay and "finish the job". What I'm saying, as is Mr. Margolis, is that we ought not to be there in the first place... which makes perfect sense.

You think that the big bad terrorists are going to "come over here" ... recruit people... please. The fact that we are over there now only gives them reason to, and that is something we should be more concerned with rather than thinking that is was "bound to happen" which is what you think. Your sense of logic and reasoning is backwards, and you like many Americans feel that it is our duty to be imposing our "freedoms" and "democracy" on these people. Study some history, and know what you are talking about before posting such ignorance. Our country is doing nobody in that country any favors... except for the puppet American installed government, and the Bush administration. They have had big plans for Afghanistan... hence their preparation for this invasion PRE-911. How convenient that they all of a sudden had a reason to sell the ignorant American public on going in... guns blazing. Bush is a cowboy, and a war-monger. If you can't see that then you are truly dillusional. He has lied to the world about why they needed to go into Iraq, and if people can't see through this, then they are either kidding themselves or going through denial. Which one is it?

And I don't wish to see out military fail... As a taxpayer who is funding this war, I have the right to question, and to be critical of our government when our troops are called into a conflict that serves no purpose. Our troops deserve better than that.

   

what my brother in law tells me are the facts and he's pretty much lived there for the last couple of years. The Russians couldn't take them and they didn't have nearly as far to transport their equipment etc. I'm glad someone is telling the truth.

   

He does does he. Just more bullshite from a lefty pseudo journalist.

It's an opinion.

Of course, he was the guy that exposed the twin towers conspiracy.

He's also a tinfoil hat salesman and a part time crane driver.

   

For a start we are not "occupying" Afghanistan. We are there under the the invitation of the Afghnistani Government. Also, it is not a "war", that is a term thrown around by the Americans far too much.Finally there is a very good reason for being there. Everyone seems to think our forces are in Afghanistan purely to hunt down and destroy the Taliban, when in fact our main mission is to help bring stability back to the region and assist the Afghan military with there efforts to stop the drug trade which is the main source of income for the terrorist organisations.As far as I am aware the Americans are the only ones actively hunting the Taliban.

   

this is getting ridiculous, I'm a pilot in the Canadian Air Force, and hearing the public of Canada speaking out about our involvment in afghanistan is making me and every member of the forces pissed off. number 1, get this stupid faction out of your head that canada is peace keepers, what good is a peace keeper going to do to a guy that wouldn't think twice about strapping a bomb to himself and blowing away a food market full of people in the name of some stupid god. the fact is the canadian forces are a very highly trained and very highly skilled force, just because we're killing men who in turn would want to take the rights of women to drive or lead a good life, or take away any chance of education for children doesn't mean we're bad people. We have some of the worlds best soldiers, snipers, special forces unit, and so on, so if we have the ability to use our power to rid to world of evil men, how can any sane person sit there and say we're not justified in afghanistan. we're building a better future for that place, without any security there, the terrorist will once again take control and continue to slaughter anyone that doesn't listen to them. what we're doing in afghanistan is right, and despite what all you uniformed kids that want to just have you voice heard can stop wasting your breath because it makes no difference, the people in charge know we're doing what we should be doing and that's all that matters. let me ask you this, if canada was a unprivilaged country in control of terrorist that killed any civilian for any reason, and a world leader with the ability to help you didn't, would you be happy about that?? no you wouldn't, you see you have to get rid of your selfish attitudes, we're a world leader and we're finally using our status to be able to help other countries in need. you people that are against a military need to stop smoking whatever it is your smoking because to quote plato "only the dead have seen the end of war" canadians love their freedom, and we are very fortunate for sure, but remember, freedom isn't free, there are men and women standing on guard for it everyday, it'd be wise to not take that for granted. as for the U.S, I agree maybe what they're doing could be a little better strategized, but if you haven't forgotten, canada and the u.s are the worlds closests military alias, they'd never let us be harmed, and we'd never let them be harmed, it's a great military relationship, so the fact that we're in the trenches fighting alongside our nations brother doesn't mean we're evil killers, it means we'll use whatever force necessary to help out our friends in a time of need.
If you have enough balls to post messages concerning this, than maybe you should spend time researching how a military works and what we're doing, because than if you were to oppose it you'd be as bad as a terrorist. Killing is a bad thing, but it happens all the time, if you tell me that me killing a taliban member that is on route to kill a family of 5 because they wanted to be able to live free is a bad thing, than you have to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what kind of person you are. killing bad men in the name of a free world is essential, canadians are known for having one of the best militaries the world man for man, we are only limited in size but finally it looks like that is being taken care of for the future.
I'll leave you with a bible verse
Ezekiel 25:17
The path
of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great
vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy
my brothers. And you will know my
name is the Lord when I lay my
vengeance upon you

just to clarify, we are not fighting afghanistan, we are rebuilding the country while providing security in doing it, working with the afghanistan people, while the taliban tries to prevent us from doing it because they will lose power, and we will rid the world of the tyranny of evil men.
god bless freedom

   

to be left with a freakin' Bible verse. On with The Crusades!

   

The point being is this is the reality of the Taliban and Afghanistan not the musings of some Ultra-lib antiwar activist safely ensconced in his Toronto office somewhere. Daniel Pearl himself was a journalist and the Taliban cut off his head while he was still alive while your cherished appeaser ‘journalist’ I doubt has ever stepped foot in Afghanistan
, and even if he has probably only to comment on how evil Canadian troops are and the west is the root of all evil today. Conveniently forgetting that that his sorry ass is being protected by NATO and allied troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. So while your ‘journalist’ speaks down from the Ivory Tower of the Ultra Lib ideology at least Mr. Pearl had the guts to go and see for himself.



The reason that the current war in Afghanistan and Iraq which the Ultra-lib Appeasers wear blinders to is that even during the First and Second World Wars there were Isolationists back then as well, who cried out to anyone silly enough to listen to them. That the Kaiser wasn’t such a bad guy, we just misunderstand him, he really wants peace, even after the invasion of Belgium people in the west were wringing their fingers about the cost of war when the war was brought to the.

Or during the lead up to WW II isolationists were preaching how their countries shouldn’t get involved with Mr Hitler because he was justified in taking bits of countries, and then whole countries because the Treaty of Versailles was so unfair to the Germans, who had started the war in the first place.

Of course you comparison of Hitler to Bush is simply axiomatic of the Ultra-lib philosophy of revisionist history. Forgetting the fact that Canada is also part of this and by extension you think that Paul Martin and Jean Chretien who approved of the Afghan mission are morally equal with Mr Bush and by extension Hitler. Truly the gymnastics you go through to paint the west as a bunch of evil people who brought the Terrorism upon themselves goes beyond just Appeasement , but into fantasy land




You asked me to defend the War on Terror with the Ultra lib plan for the defence of our country , when itself has the usual knee-jerk Ultra-lib defence of that because they were no threat to us we shouldn’t defend ourselves against a threat that doesn’t exist? Oh now there is arrogance for you. The problem with your request is that Ultra-libs have NO plan. They simply , and always try to turn the problem around on the people who would like to keep Canada safe by saying well we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

And your serious lack of vision is a big problem for you, but not for rational people. Terrorism is real and people in the west have been killed for it , and other terrorists are trying to kill us for the simple reason is that they don’t like our way life. The reason, the best reason is that unless we try to stop terrorism you ignorant fool is tht unless we try they WILL come here and Kill Canadians. Now to the Ultra-libs they would probably seem to be hero’s but to the rest of the country and the potential victims your smugness is not reassuring.




And I don't wish to see out military fail... As a taxpayer who is funding this war, I have the right to question, and to be critical of our government when our troops are called into a conflict that serves no purpose. Our troops deserve better than that. [/quote]


Again you arrogance ignoring the actual threat of Terrorists defies real logic but falls in line perfectly with the selfish myopic view of the world where only if Terrorists blow up your granny on the way to church in downtown Regina, would cause you maybe, perhaps, on the outside chance of considering of having Canada sending a harshly worded Note to the Taliban, Al Queda and the dozens of other Terrorist groups in the world if they would just stop being so naughty. But to answer your question if People around the world are given to the chance to enjoy freedom then I’m all for it. I’m no fan of Islamic or Sharia law, I would like to see women and homosexuals treated with equality through out the world. And I suggest before posting your own verbal flatulence that YOU look at the history of the mistreatment of minorities un the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. But of course in the Ultra-lib Ideology its okay for other countries to murder their own citizens, Ultra-libs will ‘deplore’ such things but wont actually do anything about it.

And personally I do think you want the War on Terror to fail. Nothing would make you happier than to say ‘We told you so”

   

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