Canada Kicks Ass
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SprCForr @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:23 pm

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion


Neutral as in Switzerland? [huh]

I'm needing a quick review. Let's see...charter membership in NATO. Participation with Allied Forces during WWII. Korea as part of the Commonwealth Division. The Entente and some activity around 1914 or so. Boer War prior to that.

Not really seeing "Neutral" anywhere here. :twisted:

While you're at it could you explain the "new low" bit? We were low before but now we're lower? How so?

   



grainfedprairieboy @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:25 pm

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


I think you are accusing 'ass kicking' with professionalism. The USA is the greatest friend and ally Canada has ever had. With its common history it has protected us, it consumes over 80% of our trade, it has sent us massive numbers of immigrants, it has supported our inclusion in various international conferences and by and large its media, culture, people and government view us in a very favourable light. By and large we call its music, entertainment and culture our own, we vacation there, work there cross border shop there and are virtually indistinguishable in most compared statistics, fashion and ideology and the USA is the only nation on earth that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt will help us out of any crisis.

As such, it behoves us a country to have our leaders behave in a manner that is not commensurate to their collective importance to the very fabric of our existence.

We have a media that is already largely anti-American and part of our culture is a failure to define ourselves without deprecating the US.

It is easy to find isolated derogatory incidents with all my examples such as softwood lumber but these sums definitely don’t equate to the whole. Before you attempt to illustrate your sanctimonious creed, tell me first who is a better friend to Canada?

   



Tricks @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:25 pm

Not only that Spr, but I didn't realize Canadian's and Canada in general don't have opinions. Guess we better shut down the site. :lol:

   



SprCForr @ Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:36 pm

I want to see him do it without using the names: Bush, Liberal, Conservative or Harper.

:twisted:

   



ridenrain @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:08 am

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion, many against what Bush was saying when we had a Liberal Government, we would've bee a prime example of someone to go in and negotiage peace between Hizbullah and Israel, but with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


Welcome to the forum but such a terrible first impression.
The Liberal gov. would set a bold new level of hipocrisy if they did negotiate with Palastinian extreemists because they added them to the official terrorist list in 02. Nothing new for the Liberals but it might cost them votes and THAT would stop them.

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:04 am

RUEZ RUEZ:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
many against what Bush was saying
That's what's really important to you isn't it?
$1:
we would've bee a prime example of someone to go in and negotiage peace between Hizbullah and Israel, but with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.
Could you elaborate on how the government is now kissing Bush's ass?


Yes, the softowod lumber dispute is one that is actually IMPORTANT, and if it is the best that i can come up with, maybe it's cause Canada doesn't have the most interesting political conflicts with its souther neighbour but it's still very evident that we don't even raise any questions with some of the things they do. Here's another example:

Bush does not allow the media to be around when the coffins and bodies are returned to American soil, in Canada, the land of the free, i'd think silencing the media shouldn't be something we'd do but apparently we do because Harper seems to be loving to do it more and more, but it isn't just Harper, Alberta turned it's back on the government and talked to Bush about that Smithsonian exhibit on Alberta to gain some more culture awareness in the U.S. by "kissin some ass" hoping they'd know that Canada isn't an "America Jr.".

The Canadian border dispute was something else that the Canadians weren't willing to fight for at ALL, they just did whatever the United states wanted with the border, another prime example of "kissing bushes ass" so that we won't get on the U.S. bad side, because if you haven't noticed on very smart man once said that the relationship between Canada and the United states is very much like us being the beaver and the U.S being an elephant, we sleep in the same bed, and the elephant can crush us when turning over to its side. Give me one example of CURRENT politics in which we have actually said NO to bush and his policy.

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:08 am

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


I think you are accusing 'ass kicking' with professionalism. The USA is the greatest friend and ally Canada has ever had. With its common history it has protected us, it consumes over 80% of our trade, it has sent us massive numbers of immigrants, it has supported our inclusion in various international conferences and by and large its media, culture, people and government view us in a very favourable light. By and large we call its music, entertainment and culture our own, we vacation there, work there cross border shop there and are virtually indistinguishable in most compared statistics, fashion and ideology and the USA is the only nation on earth that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt will help us out of any crisis.

As such, it behoves us a country to have our leaders behave in a manner that is not commensurate to their collective importance to the very fabric of our existence.

We have a media that is already largely anti-American and part of our culture is a failure to define ourselves without deprecating the US.

It is easy to find isolated derogatory incidents with all my examples such as softwood lumber but these sums definitely don’t equate to the whole. Before you attempt to illustrate your sanctimonious creed, tell me first who is a better friend to Canada?


I'd consider Cuba more of a friend then the U .S, reason being that we have a lot of our oil demands coming from Cuba as we have invested into that, and even though we dont get 80 percent of our trade from Cuba, at least we get more of what is in less supply from Cuba then the United Sates (im assuming, not sure if we actually get oil from the U.S. or not) but in an economic friendship, yes, the united states is a better friend but when you say the United States is the only country that will help us out of any crisis, what if they're the ones putting us in a Crisis? There's a thought that not many think of.

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:12 am

SprCForr SprCForr:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion


Neutral as in Switzerland? [huh]

I'm needing a quick review. Let's see...charter membership in NATO. Participation with Allied Forces during WWII. Korea as part of the Commonwealth Division. The Entente and some activity around 1914 or so. Boer War prior to that.

Not really seeing "Neutral" anywhere here. :twisted:

While you're at it could you explain the "new low" bit? We were low before but now we're lower? How so?


Neutral in the sense that we are a PEACEMAKERS, and we keep the peace, in that sense of Neutrality not the Neutrality the Switzerland bestows upon itself by not participating at all. Even in either of those wars we were one the last to declare war because of m any factors such as Pressure from the United States and our loyal parents, Britain.

When i say a new low, i mean it in a sense that we are not living with the Liberal governement as before, we are not protecting the interesets of everyone and aren't too caring about the freedom of everyone in the world, the conservatives are without a doubt at this moment trying to ban gay-marriage after it was passed by the liberals, another example of following the bush policy.

   



hwacker @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:16 am

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'd consider Cuba more of a friend then the U .S,


Sure you would, when your hero died the POS that runs Cuba came to his funeral. Stick together thick and thin.

Thank God people like you aren’t in power anymore and won’t be for a long time to come.

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:17 am

ridenrain ridenrain:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion, many against what Bush was saying when we had a Liberal Government, we would've bee a prime example of someone to go in and negotiage peace between Hizbullah and Israel, but with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


Welcome to the forum but such a terrible first impression.
The Liberal gov. would set a bold new level of hipocrisy if they did negotiate with Palastinian extreemists because they added them to the official terrorist list in 02. Nothing new for the Liberals but it might cost them votes and THAT would stop them.


It's not the Palastinians that i'm talking about in my first post, it was Hizbullah, and does anyone here even know the reason why the Mideast crisis is such a hotbed of violence? It's not something that can be talked about as if it started yesterday, it dates back to over 50 years ago where Israel does not respect the other groups of people in the area, including Hizbullah and Hamas. Just giving people land and pulling out of the Gaza strip won't do anything, what kind of peace is it when you have over half the palastinian population being murdered and starven in Israeli Jails? Hizbullah had no right to capture 2 Israeli soldiers but the retaliation by the Israeli governemnt doesn't seem so fair to me, does it seem fair to you to retaliate with ground, air and naval forces against a group in lebanon that is stationed in the southern part os lebanon and then start attacking beirut, which is actually right in by western middle area of Lebanon?

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:18 am

hwacker hwacker:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'd consider Cuba more of a friend then the U .S,


Sure you would, when your hero died the POS that runs Cuba came to his funeral. Stick together thick and thin.

Thank God people like you aren’t in power anymore and won’t be for a long time to come.


Let's just wait for the next election, shall we?

   



hwacker @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:25 am

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion, many against what Bush was saying when we had a Liberal Government, we would've bee a prime example of someone to go in and negotiage peace between Hizbullah and Israel, but with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


Welcome to the forum but such a terrible first impression.
The Liberal gov. would set a bold new level of hipocrisy if they did negotiate with Palastinian extreemists because they added them to the official terrorist list in 02. Nothing new for the Liberals but it might cost them votes and THAT would stop them.


It's not the Palastinians that i'm talking about in my first post, it was Hizbullah, and does anyone here even know the reason why the Mideast crisis is such a hotbed of violence? It's not something that can be talked about as if it started yesterday, it dates back to over 50 years ago where Israel does not respect the other groups of people in the area, including Hizbullah and Hamas. Just giving people land and pulling out of the Gaza strip won't do anything, what kind of peace is it when you have over half the palastinian population being murdered and starven in Israeli Jails? Hizbullah had no right to capture 2 Israeli soldiers but the retaliation by the Israeli governemnt doesn't seem so fair to me, does it seem fair to you to retaliate with ground, air and naval forces against a group in lebanon that is stationed in the southern part os lebanon and then start attacking beirut, which is actually right in by western middle area of Lebanon?


Will you STFU already; you know nothing about the Middle East. If you support those people BTW it's "Hezbollah" you support the terrorists. End of discussion………..

   



hwacker @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:27 am

Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
hwacker hwacker:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'd consider Cuba more of a friend then the U .S,


Sure you would, when your hero died the POS that runs Cuba came to his funeral. Stick together thick and thin.

Thank God people like you aren’t in power anymore and won’t be for a long time to come.


Let's just wait for the next election, shall we?


Yes, you will see a big change when PMSH gets a majority.

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:29 am

hwacker hwacker:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Tleilaxu Tleilaxu:
I'll say this once, in my opinion Canada used to be a Neutral nation with its own opinion, many against what Bush was saying when we had a Liberal Government, we would've bee a prime example of someone to go in and negotiage peace between Hizbullah and Israel, but with the Conservative governemnt kissing Bush's ass every five secon ds, i think we've hit a new low.


Welcome to the forum but such a terrible first impression.
The Liberal gov. would set a bold new level of hipocrisy if they did negotiate with Palastinian extreemists because they added them to the official terrorist list in 02. Nothing new for the Liberals but it might cost them votes and THAT would stop them.


It's not the Palastinians that i'm talking about in my first post, it was Hizbullah, and does anyone here even know the reason why the Mideast crisis is such a hotbed of violence? It's not something that can be talked about as if it started yesterday, it dates back to over 50 years ago where Israel does not respect the other groups of people in the area, including Hizbullah and Hamas. Just giving people land and pulling out of the Gaza strip won't do anything, what kind of peace is it when you have over half the palastinian population being murdered and starven in Israeli Jails? Hizbullah had no right to capture 2 Israeli soldiers but the retaliation by the Israeli governemnt doesn't seem so fair to me, does it seem fair to you to retaliate with ground, air and naval forces against a group in lebanon that is stationed in the southern part os lebanon and then start attacking beirut, which is actually right in by western middle area of Lebanon?


Will you STFU already; you know nothing about the Middle East. If you support those people BTW it's "Hezbollah" you support the terrorists. End of discussion………..


Actually it's Hizbullah, i know nothing about the Middle East? Shows how good your people skills are, I'm from Iran

   



Tleilaxu @ Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:30 am

BTW--> Allah - God, therefore i think Hizbullah is much more accurate then Hezbollah but spelling isn't most people's strong points in a forum discussion so i'd drop that.

   



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