Canada Kicks Ass
premier of saskatchewan threatens to sue federal government

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Banff @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:56 am

Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:


Canada is dependant on Ontario for different reasons than say Alberta or labor immigrants from the east coast . Most people in Alberta are from other parts of Canada . Noone really lives in alberta do they ?

What is your point?


Canada is a balancing act and each province isn't really one to claim ownership of itself ....never has and never will, its all integrated "as long as it suits a purpose or need " .It would be easy to just ship everyone in Ontario to Alberta then the problem would be solved Alberta would become a slum like Ontario . In this case just move everyone from Sask and let British , French , or German discover it .

   



Clogeroo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:58 am

$1:

unfortuently it seems that everyone is looking for hand outs these days, i still don't think the voters in these provinces would be willing to pay more taxes to only see the money given away to other provinces.

The grits will just take the money out of elsewhere and not raise taxes then say we can pay for it. The whole programme should be shut down and the government should claw back its federal taxes on everyone.

   



Clogeroo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:01 am

$1:
Canada is a balancing act and each province isn't really one to claim ownership of itself ....never has and never will, its all integrated "as long as it suits a purpose or need " .It would be easy to just ship everyone in Ontario to Alberta then the problem would be solved Alberta would become a slum like Ontario . In this case just move everyone from Sask and let British , French , or German discover it .

I still don't know what you mean? Provincial migration? Because a place attracts people therefore they should pay the province that they left? If their province sucks then suffer and also the buying and selling of people should be illegal.

   



maple_leaf1 @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:05 am

ryan29 ryan29:
Banff Banff:
duh of course .

If saskatchewan sues the feds then it has to be good for sask , hell sue Alberta , Indians , immigrants ,Quebec the US and Manitoba too ..... :roll:



but are all these lawsuits really needed ? it seems like there is alot of them now days.


Nope. We live in a democracy (believe or not..lol), therefor, if one's not happy with the way the feds manage money than he needs to try and vote him out. We don't sue governements! How ridiculous is that? Convince people to vote with you ( as a democracy does) and you'll get what you want...Simple as that.

   



Banff @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:09 am

maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
ryan29 ryan29:
Banff Banff:
duh of course .

If saskatchewan sues the feds then it has to be good for sask , hell sue Alberta , Indians , immigrants ,Quebec the US and Manitoba too ..... :roll:



but are all these lawsuits really needed ? it seems like there is alot of them now days.


Nope. We live in a democracy (believe or not..lol), therefor, if one's not happy with the way the feds manage money than he needs to try and vote him out. We don't sue governements! How ridiculous is that? Convince people to vote with you ( as a democracy does) and you'll get what you want...Simple as that.



There is a subtle slap in the face reality ....you are only correct in that is the way it should be (vote not sue)

   



Delwin @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:15 am

Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
Canada is a balancing act and each province isn't really one to claim ownership of itself ....never has and never will, its all integrated "as long as it suits a purpose or need " .It would be easy to just ship everyone in Ontario to Alberta then the problem would be solved Alberta would become a slum like Ontario . In this case just move everyone from Sask and let British , French , or German discover it .

I still don't know what you mean? Provincial migration? Because a place attracts people therefore they should pay the province that they left? If their province sucks then suffer and also the buying and selling of people should be illegal.
I think the point is, if one part of the country becomes more desirable to live in, there is absolutely nothing that province can do to stop you from moving there. Since this is the case, it is important to ensure that social conditions remain as equal as possible across the country. If the province of Saskatchewan was no longer able to provide mail service, road repairs, etc to it's citizens, they could simply move to Alberta, shifting the burden onto that province.

If we maintain a degree of equality in the provinces, mass migration and shifting burdens won't become an issue.

   



Banff @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:18 am

Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
Canada is a balancing act and each province isn't really one to claim ownership of itself ....never has and never will, its all integrated "as long as it suits a purpose or need " .It would be easy to just ship everyone in Ontario to Alberta then the problem would be solved Alberta would become a slum like Ontario . In this case just move everyone from Sask and let British , French , or German discover it .

I still don't know what you mean? Provincial migration? Because a place attracts people therefore they should pay the province that they left? If their province sucks then suffer and also the buying and selling of people should be illegal.


My reference to east coasteners are just that they seem to be the most likely to volunteer traveling across the country for jobs ...no province really sucks Saskatchewan is very rich in resources its just resources which are not currently needed .

   



Clogeroo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:34 am

$1:
I think the point is, if one part of the country becomes more desirable to live in, there is absolutely nothing that province can do to stop you from moving there. Since this is the case, it is important to ensure that social conditions remain as equal as possible across the country. If the province of Saskatchewan was no longer able to provide mail service, road repairs, etc to it's citizens, they could simply move to Alberta, shifting the burden onto that province.

If we maintain a degree of equality in the provinces, mass migration and shifting burdens won't become an issue.

How would it be a burden for a wealthy province to gain more people? It is more of a burden for them to have to pay for other provinces shortcomings.

$1:
My reference to east coasteners are just that they seem to be the most likely to volunteer traveling across the country for jobs ...no province really sucks Saskatchewan is very rich in resources its just resources which are not currently needed .

Yes provinces do suck. Resource and economic management account to whether your province is successful or not. Quebec is the second largest province in the country with abundant resources yet is collecting money from other provinces. They get even more subsidies as well. Why? Because they chose where to spend their money and have mismanaged themselves. Just like here in British Columbia the former NDP government hurt business thus losing economic activity and jobs. But how is this Alberta or Ontario's problem? Because people may decide to leave because B.C mismanaged itself? Frankly they owe us nothing for it was no fault of their own. Same thing with Atlantic Canada they over fished and now are suffering. Even Newfoundland with its newfound oil and their government has probably cost them economic opportunities out of their lack of compromising with businesses. But this isn't other provinces fault it is theirs and they can pay for it.

Handing people money that don’t deserve it or misspent it is like giving your child a new credit card every time he uses up his old one. They have to learn there are consequences for their actions and it is not really up to their family to bail them out every time.

   



maple_leaf1 @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:35 am

Banff Banff:
maple_leaf1 maple_leaf1:
ryan29 ryan29:
Banff Banff:
duh of course .

If saskatchewan sues the feds then it has to be good for sask , hell sue Alberta , Indians , immigrants ,Quebec the US and Manitoba too ..... :roll:



but are all these lawsuits really needed ? it seems like there is alot of them now days.


Nope. We live in a democracy (believe or not..lol), therefor, if one's not happy with the way the feds manage money than he needs to try and vote him out. We don't sue governements! How ridiculous is that? Convince people to vote with you ( as a democracy does) and you'll get what you want...Simple as that.



There is a subtle slap in the face reality ....you are only correct in that is the way it should be (vote not sue)


Indeed.

   



PJB @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:51 am

I think you folks are missing the whole point. Harper made an election promise that resource wealth would not be included in equalization payments. Now when those idiots in Ottawa brought down their budget they put a cap on the amount of that wealth that would be exempt from the equalization formula. In essence he broke his promise. Not that I expected him to keep any of his promises and so far he has not proved me wrong.

Imagine if he decided he was going to take more of Alberta's wealth and gave it to Quebec. There would be a damn war.

I know that Calvert doesn't have a leg to stand on but people are coming back to Saskatchewan because it is to damn expensive to live in Alberta. The extra money that would come from resource royalties could help Saskatchewan build itself.

Harper is greedy and needs the money to buy votes in Quebec

   



Delwin @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:58 am

Clogeroo Clogeroo:
How would it be a burden for a wealthy province to gain more people? It is more of a burden for them to have to pay for other provinces shortcomings.

More people require more infrastructure, and this requires more money. Moreover, the immediate result of mass migration to any region is a rise in the unemployment rate. This would not be a problem in Alberta at present because of the rate of growth of the economy, but certainly issues like housing, longer wait times at hospitals, higher student:teacher ratio etc. would come into play.

   



CanadianGigolo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:06 am

Why does CANADA need Equalization payments? [popcorn] Sammy

   



Clogeroo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:12 am

$1:

More people require more infrastructure, and this requires more money. Moreover, the immediate result of mass migration to any region is a rise in the unemployment rate. This would not be a problem in Alberta at present because of the rate of growth of the economy, but certainly issues like housing, longer wait times at hospitals, higher student:teacher ratio etc. would come into play.

So why should Alberta have to pay money to other provinces for taking care of their people?

   



Delwin @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:31 am

Well why should Canadians in poor provinces, have less money for infrastructure simply because they are not as rich in resouces as Alberta ?

We should have equal access to social structure wherever we are in the country. Otherwise, we are encouraging people to go where the best access is available.

   



Clogeroo @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:35 am

$1:

Well why should Canadians in poor provinces, have less money for infrastructure simply because they are not as rich in resouces as Alberta ?

Because they mismanaged themselves?

   



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