premier of saskatchewan threatens to sue federal government
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We should have equal access to social structure wherever we are in the country. Otherwise, we are encouraging people to go where the best access is available.
Yes that is what should happen just like it happens in the real world with immigration. You go where the best opportunities are. I don't see Canada encouraging people to stay at home or fund countries so they can live like us. If we did we would be broke. So why should provinces have to shell out their hard earned money? Why should I pay for Newfoundland’s economic failure or Quebec’s socialist programmes?
PJB @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:38 am
Perhaps Alberta should separate from the rest of Canada. That way they wouldn't have to pay anyone for anything.
Delwin @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:41 am
What exactly have the Atlantic provinces mismanaged ? Coal ? Fisheries ? Canada's resources belong to Canada, not the provinces. You give any province billions of dollers in oil, and it will be very difficult to"mismanage."
I would like to see proof of this so-called mismanagement before I suscribe to some silly notion that the opportunities have been equally distributed with regards to natural resources, and that alberta's success has to do with anything other than vast resources.
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Perhaps Alberta should separate from the rest of Canada. That way they wouldn't have to pay anyone for anything.
Now you're talking.
PJB @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:46 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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Perhaps Alberta should separate from the rest of Canada. That way they wouldn't have to pay anyone for anything.
Now you're talking.

C'ya...Take your resources and your over paid labour force and huge housing costs and be on your own...I wonder how long you would last before becoming the newest State in the United States
Banff @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:58 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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Well why should Canadians in poor provinces, have less money for infrastructure simply because they are not as rich in resouces as Alberta ?
Because they mismanaged themselves?
That is a statement which could be arguably contributed to laws , legislation , and corporate hostage taking to sabotage the interests of the people by a few interest groups and corporate rich .
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What exactly have the Atlantic provinces mismanaged ? Coal ? Fisheries ? Canada's resources belong to Canada, not the provinces. You give any province billions of dollers in oil, and it will be very difficult to"mismanage."
I would like to see proof of this so-called mismanagement before I suscribe to some silly notion that the opportunities have been equally distributed with regards to natural resources, and that alberta's success has to do with anything other than vast resources.
Resources belong to the provinces.
Okay here is one for mismanagement. How about uncontrolled fishing with lack of regulation or concern for population to the brink of extinction? This is called mismanagement and if Newfoundland had managed its resources better and didn't take so much from the ocean it would still have a relatively healthy fishing industry.
Here is one for positive management.
Alberta put its own provinces money up front after Canada turned them down loans to find oil and then once found encouraged companies to come develop it. They created a pro business environment with less government and red tape and less taxation for this to happen. They could have easily misspent this money and put it all into social programmes and suck the treasury dry. Although this boom they had did end when Canada came along and decided they should be able to regulate and control their industry and killed competitiveness and hurt foreign investors and helped sink a healthy industry into shambles. Again they have recovered from this though and with a government again that cut back Alberta programmes, funding, and everything to get businesses in there again and to keep taxes low. Now they paid their debt and now have industries flocking to their province to invest there. How ignorant can you be to not see the skill and sacrifice of the people to make this happen? It wasn’t simply magic they had a resource then suddenly money came from it. If this were true how come Africa is one of the poorest continents on the earth yet has every resource imaginable? It is because of their corrupt government, tribal warfare, and mismanagement they rank below in terms of our standards.
Human ingenuity, creativeness, and policy shapes where you want to live and ultimately decides if it is a good place or a bad place to be. This why countries with virtually no natural resources can be some of the most developed places too (Japan).
Delwin @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:27 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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What exactly have the Atlantic provinces mismanaged ? Coal ? Fisheries ? Canada's resources belong to Canada, not the provinces. You give any province billions of dollers in oil, and it will be very difficult to"mismanage."
I would like to see proof of this so-called mismanagement before I suscribe to some silly notion that the opportunities have been equally distributed with regards to natural resources, and that alberta's success has to do with anything other than vast resources.
Resources belong to the provinces.
Okay here is one for mismanagement. How about uncontrolled fishing with lack of regulation or concern for population to the brink of extinction? This is called mismanagement and if Newfoundland had managed its resources better and didn't take so much from the ocean it would still have a relatively healthy fishing industry.
Here is one for positive management.
Alberta put its own provinces money up front after Canada turned them down loans to find oil and then once found encouraged companies to come develop it. They created a pro business environment with less government and red tape and less taxation for this to happen. They could have easily misspent this money and put it all into social programmes and suck the treasury dry. Although this boom they had did end when Canada came along and decided they should be able to regulate and control their industry and killed competitiveness and hurt foreign investors and helped sink a healthy industry into shambles. Again they have recovered from this though and with a government again that cut back Alberta programmes, funding, and everything to get businesses in there again and to keep taxes low. Now they paid their debt and now have industries flocking to their province to invest there. How ignorant can you be to not see the skill and sacrifice of the people to make this happen? It wasn’t simply magic they had a resource then suddenly money came from it. If this were true how come Africa is one of the poorest continents on the earth yet has every resource imaginable? It is because of their corrupt government, tribal warfare, and mismanagement they rank below in terms of our standards.
Human ingenuity, creativeness, and policy shapes where you want to live and ultimately decides if it is a good place or a bad place to be. This why countries with virtually no natural resources can be some of the most developed places too (Japan).
Canada has sovreignty over oceans within 200 miles of it's coast. You really think they are the only ones fishing there ?
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Canada accuses foreign fleets of overfishing Grand Banks
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/02/01/nafo020201.htmlPerhaps you believe they haven't attempted to put a stop to it ?
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Fishing limit snub affront to sovereignty: Nfld fisheries union
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/02/04 ... 20204.html
You are honestly putting NFLD's $1 billion fishing industry on par with Alberta's $36 billion oil industry.
No amount of proper managment could have stretched it to that size.
Africa is in shambles because of their mismanagement ? No Cash crop farming, and foreign influence is responsible for their current state.
You are using Japan as an example of how a country with no resources can succeed ? They have recieved enormous funding for reconstruction after WWII. You make a solid arguement against yourself though. More funding can lead to a successful economy.
Banff @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:29 am
ryan29 ryan29:
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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guarantee no one in these provinces is willing to pay more taxes just to see the money given to these provinces.
Yes but the grits will come in and say it is feasible.

Vote for us we give you hand outs.
unfortuently it seems that everyone is looking for hand outs these days, i still don't think the voters in these provinces would be willing to pay more taxes to only see the money given away to other provinces.
I think Albertas taxes should be quadrupled to give to the rest of Canada They just don't pay enough, "the bums" .
adahen @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:58 am
Delwin Delwin:
Well why should Canadians in poor provinces, have less money for infrastructure simply because they are not as rich in resouces as Alberta ?
We should have equal access to social structure wherever we are in the country. Otherwise, we are encouraging people to go where the best access is available.
I agree. The money is supposed to be spread it out to all the other provinces equally
ryan29 @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:52 pm
PJB PJB:
I think you folks are missing the whole point. Harper made an election promise that resource wealth would not be included in equalization payments. Now when those idiots in Ottawa brought down their budget they put a cap on the amount of that wealth that would be exempt from the equalization formula. In essence he broke his promise. Not that I expected him to keep any of his promises and so far he has not proved me wrong.
Imagine if he decided he was going to take more of Alberta's wealth and gave it to Quebec. There would be a damn war.
I know that Calvert doesn't have a leg to stand on but people are coming back to Saskatchewan because it is to damn expensive to live in Alberta. The extra money that would come from resource royalties could help Saskatchewan build itself.
Harper is greedy and needs the money to buy votes in Quebec
harper is greedy ? give me a break these provinces want all this money so they can buy votes before future elections. both saskacthewan and newfoundland are due for provincial elections soon .
maybe the conservatives did promise to honour these deals but things have changed since then . harper also never signed these deals and can we really expect a new government to honour ever deal signed by the previous one during its dying days of desperation. (paul martin during the sponsorship scnadal)
ryan29 @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:55 pm
Banff Banff:
ryan29 ryan29:
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
guarantee no one in these provinces is willing to pay more taxes just to see the money given to these provinces.
Yes but the grits will come in and say it is feasible.

Vote for us we give you hand outs.
unfortuently it seems that everyone is looking for hand outs these days, i still don't think the voters in these provinces would be willing to pay more taxes to only see the money given away to other provinces.
I think Albertas taxes should be quadrupled to give to the rest of Canada They just don't pay enough, "the bums" .

on quadrupling taxes i image the voters in the have provinces would revolt over this and the conservatives would win a huge majority. if the other parties said they would be raising taxes so they could give more money to the have not provinces.
adahen @ Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:54 pm
Banff Banff:
ryan29 ryan29:
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
guarantee no one in these provinces is willing to pay more taxes just to see the money given to these provinces.
Yes but the grits will come in and say it is feasible.

Vote for us we give you hand outs.
unfortuently it seems that everyone is looking for hand outs these days, i still don't think the voters in these provinces would be willing to pay more taxes to only see the money given away to other provinces.
I think Albertas taxes should be quadrupled to give to the rest of Canada They just don't pay enough, "the bums" .

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Alberta is already paying more then their share.Quebec wants this and that then they will have to find their own way of doing it.Quebec is rich enough and it is time they only received their fair share not more then they should.
ryan29 @ Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:55 pm
can't help but notice the poll results have gone way towards the side that premier calvert is only doing this to help the ndp out, guess that should of included his own government on the poll as well.
personally think he's only doing this to help out with own government and the ndp in general . as a way to get himself attention and to hurt the conservatives image in that province.
anyone from saskatchewan on here , how's this issue being viewed there ?
Banff @ Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:13 pm
anyone from saskatchewan on here , how's this issue being viewed there ?
There are alot of people who have had enough and the believe the Cons are really giving the NDP a run . Many are convinced the NDP can't survive but when reality strikes they usually end up voting NDP .