Quotes regarding arms and freedom
Hyack @ Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:11 am
Gun Control...a good eye and steady trigger finger.
ConspiracyBuff ConspiracyBuff:
Please forgive if I ever start to rant and ramble too much, just let me know and I'll put a sock in it for a bit. Seriously tho' , shouldnt we also have controls in place for things such as baseball and cricket bats? Or perhaps certain building materials, like weapon grade lumber, all types of pipe, garden equip such as shovels, axes, and pruning shears. Must also include any kitchen utensil, hand or power tool that could be improvised as a weapon, why not include any tool that could potentially be used in the making of a weapon. Whats the movie tonight? double choco rations I hear........double plus good
Agreed.
I think those are good policy for the inside of a prison where people should have restricted rights.
Law abiding Canadians deserve better.
Billion Dollar Quotes
Allan Rock
'Should the decision be to proceed with a system of registration, it will only be on the basis that such a system can be established through a reasonable outlay of capital costs .'
-- Nov. 14. 1994
'We have provided our estimate of the cost of implementing universal registration over the next five years. We say that it will cost $85 million. ... We encourage the members opposite to examine our estimates. We are confident we will demonstrate the figures are realistic and accurate.'
-- Feb. 16, 1995
xerxes xerxes:
"For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments."
Except that police are not required by law to actually defend you in your home, nor can they reasonably be expected to get there, assuming you are in a position to call them, before an intruder has done whatever it was he/she wanted and departed with his/her mission accomplished. Whether this includes taking your money, your property, and/or your life depends entirely on the intent and will of the intruder, which the police are in no position to dispute until they arrive.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- Eric Blair, aka George Orwell
xerxes xerxes:
"I fear 4 newspapers more than 1000 rapiers" - Napoleon Bonaparte
"For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments."
-James Brady
Both the US & Canadian High/Supreme courts have consistently ruled that the police departments have no obligation to protect or defend anyone and are therefore not liable for failing to protect or defend anyone.
ConspiracyBuff ConspiracyBuff:
How bout a corkscrew/screwdriver registry?
You'll be happy to know that the progressive Brits are on the march to banning steak knives.
xerxes @ Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:04 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
xerxes xerxes:
"I fear 4 newspapers more than 1000 rapiers" - Napoleon Bonaparte
"For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments."
-James Brady
Both the US & Canadian High/Supreme courts have consistently ruled that the police departments have no obligation to protect or defend anyone and are therefore not liable for failing to protect or defend anyone.
Well since people have found about 100 quotes to answer my second, I suppose it's time for me to respond.
I included the second quote mainly to see the reaction because I don't agree with it entirely myself.
That being said, I will say this (in hopefully not too long a post). Most of the quotes people have posted (myself included) come from generations and centuries ago. Quotes from the American revolutionaries and other revolutionaries abound.
A time when the nature of warfare and government power was quite different than today. Moreover, the technology behind firearms was much different. Most of the firearms of the time were of the muzzle-loading variety. Horribly inaccurate and horribly slow reload times. Not so great for defending your home unless you were a crack shot and got the guy on your first shot. But they were great in numbers, like say, the numbers found in a well regulated militia.
Furthermore, firearms in the 18th century were not so readily available as they are today. It would only be until the late 19th century when personal firearms became feasible as an item of personal defence with the advent of rifling and breech-loading weapons. And of course, the advent of semi-automatic and full-automatic firing mechanisms.
On top of that, as I mentioned earlier, the nature of governmental power was quite different than today. Before the realisation of mass transportation or mass communication, a local militia could reasonably expect to secure their liberty themselves from a tyrannical government a great distance away. Now, with aircraft that can launch incredibly accurate missiles from hundreds of kilometres away and ICBM's and all the other features of a modern army, unless you or a militia has access to such items, your attempt at securing your liberty, though valiant, would also likely be short.
Which leaves us with the topic of personal defence. I have no doubt that there are great number of gun owners who are responsible owners and who wouldn't use their weapons for any other reason than hunting game or convincing a criminal to take up a new line of work. But it's probably equally safe to say that there are fair number of people who are not responsible gun owners who are likely to use their weapon to injure or kill.
That's all I have to say about that.
xerxes xerxes:
But it's probably equally safe to say that there are fair number of people who are not responsible gun owners who are likely to use their weapon to injure or kill.
Uhm, that's what home defence firearms are
for.
Using one responsibly just means the right person (criminal) was injured or killed.
I'll also note that several US studies indicate that firearms
deter about 3,000,000 crimes per year.
So an additional "proper use" is when the firearm is not discharged at all, but merely present to deter a crime.
xerxes xerxes:
Well since people have found about 100 quotes to answer my second, I suppose it's time for me to respond.
I included the second quote mainly to see the reaction because I don't agree with it entirely myself.
That being said, I will say this (in hopefully not too long a post). Most of the quotes people have posted (myself included) come from generations and centuries ago. Quotes from the American revolutionaries and other revolutionaries abound.
A time when the nature of warfare and government power was quite different than today. Moreover, the technology behind firearms was much different. Most of the firearms of the time were of the muzzle-loading variety. Horribly inaccurate and horribly slow reload times. Not so great for defending your home unless you were a crack shot and got the guy on your first shot. But they were great in numbers, like say, the numbers found in a well regulated militia.
Furthermore, firearms in the 18th century were not so readily available as they are today. It would only be until the late 19th century when personal firearms became feasible as an item of personal defence with the advent of rifling and breech-loading weapons. And of course, the advent of semi-automatic and full-automatic firing mechanisms.
On top of that, as I mentioned earlier, the nature of governmental power was quite different than today. Before the realisation of mass transportation or mass communication, a local militia could reasonably expect to secure their liberty themselves from a tyrannical government a great distance away. Now, with aircraft that can launch incredibly accurate missiles from hundreds of kilometres away and ICBM's and all the other features of a modern army, unless you or a militia has access to such items, your attempt at securing your liberty, though valiant, would also likely be short.
Which leaves us with the topic of personal defence. I have no doubt that there are great number of gun owners who are responsible owners and who wouldn't use their weapons for any other reason than hunting game or convincing a criminal to take up a new line of work. But it's probably equally safe to say that there are fair number of people who are not responsible gun owners who are likely to use their weapon to injure or kill.
That's all I have to say about that.
I think this following quote at least answers a little bit of each of your points:
How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of. — Representative Suzanna Gratia Hupp (TX)
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. — George Bernard Shaw
"Tyrants fear the fury of armed peasants while good Kings are protected by such as we oft disdain."
- The Marquis de Lafayette