Referendum for 2008
Numure @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:55 pm
My guess right now is somewhere in 2008, after the PQ wins the next elections.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
Wullu @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:00 pm
Numure Numure:
My guess right now is somewhere in 2008, after the PQ wins the next elections.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
???????? The CPC were sworn into office 23 days ago. And you and the folks you work with expect wholesale change in 3 weeks? Give it a rest!
Mustang1 @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:07 pm
Wullu Wullu:
Numure Numure:
My guess right now is somewhere in 2008, after the PQ wins the next elections.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
???????? The CPC were sworn into office 23 days ago. And you and the folks you work with expect wholesale change in 3 weeks? Give it a rest!
I agree. This is just blind opinion masquerading as a point. Typical separatist drivel – all knee-jerk emotion and little pragmatism. Harper has been in power for a limited time and you are already passing judgement on policy and direction? Damn.
Tricks @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:10 pm
Numure Numure:
My guess right now is somewhere in 2008, after the PQ wins the next elections.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
It isn't coming fast enough? Seriously, shut the fuck up. They were sworn in just of 3 weeks ago, they haven't even presented a budget, have they even sat in the house of commons yet? Like fuck, calm down. Just because you hate Canada doesn't mean you should ignore common sense when it somes to it.
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
The general consensus I'm getting is Harper isnt doing much, if anything. They understand that he has to settle in. But they expected quick resolve for issues of importance that he promised to solve.
Just the fact that he said he would scrap the deal with Québec on health care funding is causing an upraor.
People are pissed, and it seems Canada's last chance isnt up to the challenge.
OnTheIce @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:48 pm
I'd love to see Quebec seperate but share NOTHING with Canada.
Bye.
Poisson @ Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:58 pm
I don't think I would trust someone that cannot even spell "souveraineté" right. 
QuebecSpock @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:43 am
Numure Numure:
My guess right now is somewhere in 2008, after the PQ wins the next elections.
But... this election is not won yet... Even if the PQ leads currently in polls, a non-PQ wave is still possible. "Ne pas vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tué!".
I predict the PLQ will move forward quickly with elections next fall (2006), trying to surf on the Harper-promises wave before it vanishes.
Also, if the ADQ get more seats, the next gov. could only have a minority of seats. In such conditions, even if the PQ won, they couldn't do a referendum.
guest123 @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:10 am
I have to agree with everyone else. It's been 3 weeks and 14 working days since Harper was sworn in. Very little can be completely turned around in that time. It's too bad that people want to separate because a newly sworn in prime minister doesn't transform the country in 14 days.
Tricks @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:29 am
guest123 guest123:
I have to agree with everyone else. It's been 3 weeks and 14 working days since Harper was sworn in. Very little can be completely turned around in that time. It's too bad that people want to separate because a newly sworn in prime minister doesn't transform the country in 14 days.
meet seperatists, they lack in the common sense department
Bodah @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:10 am
Numure Numure:
I thought Harper might change a few things, with his promises. But elas, even though its only been 1 month, change isnt comming fast enough. And ''for-the-moment'' conservative are already back to discussing souvrainté (Where I work anyways).
Jeesus...
Were used to Quebec demanding everything, but they havent been in power for not even a month yet, so give them some time tarbarnak.... Theres more to Canada than just Ottawa and Quebec.
Indelible @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:46 am
also, don't forget that the conservatives have a minority right now. this leaves them little room to move. right now, they need to cozy up with ontario liberals so they can get a majority next election to do the major changes that the country desperately needs.
MustangJay @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:12 am
Here's an idea, we do a reverse referrendum where, Quebec would essentially be kicked out of Canada then forced to plead their case if and when they decided they're scared, cold, and broke and want back in. THe rest of Canada would thereby hold their own referrendum to decide whether or not to let Quebec rejoin. Yes, clearly this is a ridiculous idea, but when you look closely at the PQ platform...well it doesn't exactly scream common sense either!
Elvis @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:32 am
In my opinion this debate is premature. The CPC and the neolibéral in Québec need a Little more rope to hang them-self.
On an another note the PLQ won the last election by promising everything that they could think of, Health care, taxes reduction, good governance, and no deficit. the voter believe this nonsense and they got what they deserve. A government dedicated to it's own self interest and there political friend.(les tizami du parti) will the voter believe them again? that is the question.
The ADQ if they play there card right could maybe take vote away from the PLQ and the PQ if the PQ don't move there policy back to the centre in time. as for the PLQ they are screw outside of there traditional base.
Indelible wrote
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also, don't forget that the conservatives have a minority right now. this leaves them little room to move. right now, they need to cozy up with Ontario liberals so they can get a majority next election to do the major changes that the country desperately needs.
I disagree the CPC will not cozy up with the Ontario liberal but with Québec soft nationalist because this is where the most gain can be obtain for the CPC. This will alienate Ontario voter even more and put an end to this Parliament in the next year. If they don't "cozy up " to the Québec soft nationalist by implementing a decentralization of the Canadian federation they will loose Québec for good.
It's a damn if you do damn if you don't kind of scenario.
Indelible @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:47 am
i'm not sure about that. they did fairly well in quebec in the last election, better than they have before. i think if they govern fairly in the next few months they can win over the nationalists without having to suck up to them like Liberals did.
unfortunately, ontarians bought that fearmongering election crap from martin that harper will americanize canada and that he's scary etc etc. i still think he has more work to do in ontario. is it true that the separatist sentiment ballooned in the dying days of the Liberal government?
Draken @ Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:43 am
If I remerber the opinion polls rigth, well yes the separatist sentiment ballooned, but after Harper promises and election, well it fell back.