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But then who takes care of the baby? It would be incredibly damaging to the baby to be ripped from the mother's arms upon birth. The fostor system sucks, and brestfeeding is well known to be superior to formula. The punishment would be worse than the crime.

   

Ain't it weird that the human race has survived?
It's been going on for ages.

Yeah, yeah, I know, child and mother mortality

Thing is it's about time we saw pregnancy and labour for what it is. Not some kind of decease you need to go for the doctor's or hospital for, but as a natural thing.
You'll know in your core what to do.

I'm not saying seeking medical advice and help isn't necessary...but manslaughter or murder.....in case of a freebirth.
It's been done before.
Obviously.

   

Only if the mother signs a waiver for assistance if all hell breaks loose and child/mother are harmed in any way.

If you want to parachute and break your neck, do it on your own dime.

   

I'm still disappointed about that.

   

The mother didn't seem to care about the child enough to do everything possible to ensure their health during birth. The punishment could be suspended for a while, and it appears that in most cases there is another parent "assisting" in the birth. The judge would obviously have to be given some leeway in determining punishment, whether it be imprisonment, fine, probation, etc.

   

Yea, but how many women do you think did it totally alone? Few. Elder women would have been there to help. There have always been support networks, no matter how primitive.

   

I don't see what the big deal is because 'freebirthing' happens in the back of taxi cabs and minivans every day when the babies won't wait till they get to the hospital.

   

Some of the concern here is in that deep seated fear of the liberal nanny-state lovers that someone, somewhere, doesn't want their 'help'.

If someone doesn't want medical assistance then that's their business.

And it is more than a tad hypocritical that Canada could someday have two women in a hospital on the same day, both of them nine months pregnant, with one in the emergency room being forced by the police to submit to medically assisted childbirth while another is in an operating room having a medically assisted abortion.

So don't tell me (whoever) that you care about the children and that's why you're forcing your way on women while you also support abortion in a woman who is equally as pregnant.

   

Of that I have no doubt.

   

You're right. It is contradictory to be pro-choice and anti-freebirth. But it's equally hypocritical to be pro-life and pro-freebirth.

Either you're for the sanctity of all life, and you're for criminalizing abortion and should also be vigorously against the reckless endangerment of a child who is most certainly farther along than most are at the time of abortion; or you're not, and you support choice in abortion and also support unfettered choices regarding medical care.

"So what is it Bart? Grainfed? Are you pro-choice in abortion and pro-choice in freebirth, or anti-choice in both? No hypocrisy, please; one or the other."

   

I voted no. The baby comes when it wants to regardless of whether or not you've got "professional" people around you to get through it.

   

Should it be illegal? No.

But those who choose this are silly and irresponsible, IMHO.

   

Oh and for the record, I have a midwife here in the UK. I have to say I'm glad I'm having a baby here and not back in North America where it seems to have the mind set of medical intervention. Most of my friends who have had kids back home in Canada wish that they had the money to afford a midwife because the level of care they received from the doctors while giving birth was absolutely appalling.

In the UK Midwives are the first stop and they only send you to an obstetrecian if they believe there may be something wrong. In my particular case my midwife a) won't see me again until my 16th week, because as she says, there's not a lot anyone can do in the first few weeks of pregnancy. What will be will be. b) She has referred me to a obstretician due to my past health problems just to make sure that everything is A Ok. c) they will work with you on any birthing plan you want. Personally I'm going to the hospital, the maternity ward there is fantastic and it's pretty much like a birthing center only if anything went wrong there would be medical staff there to help out.

But as I said in the earlier post, no one but the baby knows when it's going to come out, unless you're one of those who like to have the "pre-scheduled birth appointment" via c section. (Totally wrong in my eyes, but I digress) The only thing you can do is prepare, plan and think out all possible "what could happen" scenarios and work out what would be done in those situations.

I support midwives. Don't believe in medicalized birth BUT I do believe that if something goes wrong, you shouldn't turn your nose up at medical help. Here midwives and doctors work together and that's how it should be.

   

Couldn't have said it better myself

   

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