Canada Kicks Ass
So apparently the country named Canada doesn't work at all.

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machinist @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:21 am

Hoser,
To tell people you know for a fact that Canada did not exist before the coming of the british means that you have proof or that you were there. I know for a simple fact that you were not there therefore show us the proof.

I am not a separatist but I am a quebecois and canadian at the same time. I can tell you for a fact that the Utrech treaty was giving to british control 4 out of 5 colonies of la Nouvelle-France: la Baie d'Hudson, Terre-Neuve, l'Acadie et le Canada. Where the word Canada came from is still uncertain. I know that the little "vignette" on TV was telling that it was because Cartier did not know what he was talking about. They tended to put it nice for people to see what a nice and comfy place this country called "village" is. It is true it give a good feeling about staying in a place where everybody is a neighbour. Nothing wrong with that but do not always beleive what is on TV :D

To let you know too there is no real explanation for the word Québec. History is even more shaddy on that......

Tourlou!

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:31 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Perhaps you practise what you preach and read a book and save us the hassle of correcting each of your historical missteps.


How many books talk about a Canada where Montreal was the capital? I know I didn't learn it in school.


Well…I can’t speak to your education, but many secondary school Canadian History Texts (like Canada: A People’s History Vol I., Canada: A North American Perspective – that also includes the decision regarding Ottawa) plus numerous supplementary material and countless Pre-Confederation undergraduate courses (this includes supplementary texts from scholarly journals) discuss the political geography after the Act of Union. Many places have had the honour of representing the colony’s capital and that includes Toronto and Kingston (even pre Union Niagara on the Lake was a capital of Upper Canada).

   



The Hoser @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:36 am

machinist machinist:
Hoser,
To tell people you know for a fact that Canada did not exist before the coming of the british means that you have proof or that you were there. I know for a simple fact that you were not there therefore show us the proof.

I am not a separatist but I am a quebecois and canadian at the same time. I can tell you for a fact that the Utrech treaty was giving to british control 4 out of 5 colonies of la Nouvelle-France: la Baie d'Hudson, Terre-Neuve, l'Acadie et le Canada. Where the word Canada came from is still uncertain. I know that the little "vignette" on TV was telling that it was because Cartier did not know what he was talking about. They tended to put it nice for people to see what a nice and comfy place this country called "village" is. It is true it give a good feeling about staying in a place where everybody is a neighbour. Nothing wrong with that but do not always beleive what is on TV :D

To let you know too there is no real explanation for the word Québec. History is even more shaddy on that......

Tourlou!


Well my point was that as a Country, Canada was never French, and that as a country it only came to be just over a hundred years ago. Even if a land named Kanada existed here previous, it was never a French country. Nor was it ever a French land.

   



Jessica @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:36 am

Newfoundland wants Quebec to separate, they think it will make the drive to Ontario shorter :)

Just kidding :D

   



QuickCall @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:41 am

machinist machinist:
Maudit quickcall,
arrête de poigner les nerfs comme ça,
...
Tes cartes sont très souvent des gravures ou dessins qui furent produites plus tard que tu le dis. Tu as raison de dire que Canada était utilisé avant l'arrivée des Anglais. Mais le fait est que Canada s'écrivait avec un K et non un C (le C n'était pas très utilisé en France et lorsqu'il était utilisé il se prononçait comme le S c'est une base linguistique et non politique).
...
Calme toi un peuet.....Tourlou!

Ok, du calme, t'as raison machiniste, il faut pas s'énerver.
Regarde cette carte ci:
http://www.chezrichard.com/img/Canada1550.jpg
Ca dit "Canada", avec un "C".
Une carte de Descelliers en 1550.
Comme quoi la langue française est pleine d'exceptions. Mais ça, tu le sais déjà.
C'est pourtant clair. Le Canada existait. C'était un territoire Français.
Il fut ensuite conquis par les Anglais. Non?
Le castor, l'érable étaient déjà dans sa symbolique avant la conquête.

Donc j'avais raison, le mec a tort, je l'ai prouvé, mais je me suis fait embarquer par un troll. Oups! Et ragarde-le continuer ... je pensais que sa photo était un gag, pas sa vraie photo!? 8O

   



QuickCall @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:55 am

The Hoser The Hoser:
Well my point was that as a Country, Canada was never French,

As a country, Canada was never English either. Being a country means being independant. How can Canada, sa a country, be something other than Canadian. So I still don't see your point.

The Hoser The Hoser:
and that as a country it only came to be just over a hundred years ago.

And before that, nothing, just indians, and trees, and snow.
Yeah right! Nice way to wipe out a nation, erase it's history.

The Hoser The Hoser:
Even if a land named Kanada existed here previous, it was never a French country.

What is a french country? Have any exemples? Only France can be a french country.

The Hoser The Hoser:
Nor was it ever a French land.

Just look at the map above...and weep.
Map of Canada (With a C), in french, in 1550.

Is that a picture of you with the glasses Hoser?

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:57 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
QuickCall QuickCall:
(massive map and something written in French which is probably a repetition of what you've already said ten times over in English)


Dude, please stop. Posting your maps again and again doesn't prove anything if you don't use any other kind of sources to back them up.


Or put it into historical context. Besides, it was still a French colony. No “map” will change that rather glaring fact

   



QuickCall @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:00 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
Dude, please stop. Posting your maps again and again doesn't prove anything if you don't use any other kind of sources to back them up.

What do you mean? You think I falsified this map? You think I got a fake map in a fake book? How do you want me to backup these maps? You want me to revive Monsieur Descelliers and show him to you via my webcam? Here is a web page that puts these map in context.
http://jacquescartier.org/fondation-canada/france.html

   



JayRoc @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:02 am

PJB PJB:

Now for those living in Ontario that are going to say 'well that's were the population is' I say look further west because that is where all the resources are.


i would just like to say, I live in Ontario (born in Toronto) I also have lived in Vancouver, Victoria and Calgary. I don't like how you say those living in Ontario will say....blah blah ! Myself and pretty much everyone I know considers Canada a whole regardless of which province we live in. Maybe that we are just the common folk, but I'm okay with that. Please don't assume that as a Citizen of Ontario I think this is where the power is or that Ont. is a stronger province. Sometimes I think people just need something to complain about, Our Country, like it or not is the best Country on the planet, Yes we are taxed to death and our Government sucks, but compared to the problems all other countries have I still say we are lucky.

Perhaps we all should stop acting like a bunch of spoiled children and instead of worrying about what our brothers and sisters bring to the table we should be thankfull for the house our family lives in.

   



QBC @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:03 am

Something else rather odd about your map quickcall, why would the coast of "Laborador" be on the west coast of this continent? Did the earth turn upside down since this map was made?

   



QuickCall @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:15 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
I think you need to back up your map with other sources. Showing us a bunch of not particularly clear maps doesn't prove much of anything, except that someone drew a map.

http://jacquescartier.org/fondation-canada/france.html
or
http://northernblue.ca/cblog/archives/2 ... anada.html

$1:
When Jacques Cartier arrived in the lower St. Lawrence in 1536, he asked local Iroquois hunters what lay up river. "Canada" ["kanata"], they replied, meaning, "Our Town". From the repetition of the word, Cartier thought at first they were referring to the entire country.

The first time we see the name "Canada" used on a map is on two beautiful charts drawn in Dieppe, France, in 1546 and 1547.

The first chart, by Pierre Descelliers, shows the name Canada over the north shore of the St. Lawrence. I believe the name was added later. The second, by Nicholas Vallard, is quite precise. It shows the name "Canada" applied to the Iroquois town at the mouth of the St. Charles River by Quebec. The "Kanata" that Jacques Cartier saw was a true Iroquois village. It had corn fields and cleared land called deer yards that the people used to lure wild game. I believe it stretched from the St. Charles valley up to the fresh water spring at what the French came to call Charlesbourg.


Happy now?

   



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