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They save their cheating for referendums.

   

OUCH... the truth hurts...

   

Ok derbyX Back it up If you want I can prove that the No campaign did cheat on a massive scale can you prove that the PQ did the same thing ?

You all know very well that the Evil pequiste didn't cheat but beleive what you want because next time there will be a voter ID card to insure that the studend at concordia University only vote once!

   

Yeah Elvis keep taking us for morons...

A vote the NPD in Quebec is a wasted vote because no NPD candidate stands a chance. It will make it easier for the Bloc to win more seats.....

A vote for the Tories is wasted in about 73 counties out of 75. Makes it easier for the Bloc.

More votes for Tories and NPD =More Seats for the Bloc = less representation in the parliamnent for Quebec = ammo for the Bloc to separate.

   

Well if you like it in the ass then vote for the liberal I wont stop you. It's not my fault if the only way the liberal in Québec can finance there party is by commiting fraud with our own money! It's clear to me that you put Canadian Unity above good governance then I guess you will get what you deserve. Because the only thing take keep Federalist Quebecer going is that Canada still has pretty Good governance.

   

You go right ahead as this forum already discussed this subject. Amazing how much your seperat support drops when seperation mans a complete split with customs and border guards and you have to find a different currency to use and all of course you give up all claim on any person who doesn't want to join your "pure laine" pipe dream. We don't need to cheat but you seperatists do because the majority of Quebeckers simply do not want a total & complete split and I assure you the ROC will demand it.

   

Elvis, you`d rather vote for a party in opposition that represent you than one in power that doesn`t....

BS You`d rather vote for a party that can ``Bloc`` the government and not only try to show that federalism doesn`t work but also be one of the reasons why it doesn`t work well

Than a party that has power, has the ability to make Quebec a prosper province and Canada a prosper country because this is just not what you want.

All separatists I asked 'What would you need to stop complaining and to make you want to stay in Canada`...They always answer some crap about culture and refer to history and how unique in America we are...

Reality is they can`t tell me laws or reforms that would make them happy because there`s none. Shows that their decision comes from the heart... They don`t want the problems to be fixed even if a magician gave them the choice they want the euphory, the big party, the walks with Quebec flags in the street,ETC...

Me as a federalist I could tell you thing that would make me change my mind...Never heard a separatist say if the federal gvt would stop to do this or that I wouldn't be separatist no more....Wish I had....

   

That because you are missing the point. The independence of Québec is not about Canada it is about the affirmation of the Québecois people to the world. That's something that can't be stop by simply changing a bill here and there. Tu vis avec des Québecois alors tu dois bien te rendre compte que ce peuple évolue et qu'il a besoin de se donner un État pour se réaliser pleinement dans le monde.

   

Exactly my point,

Tu vis avec des Québecois alors tu dois bien te rendre compte que ce peuple évolue et qu'il a besoin de se donner un État pour se réaliser pleinement dans le monde.

Justement je ne vois pas le besoin d'etre independant pour se realiser pleinement meme que faire parti du Canada est un atout pour se realiser pleinement comme tu dit...

C'est quoi se réaliser pleinement?

Est ce que le fait d'etre distinct implique automatiquement qu'on ne peut pas fonctionner avec les autres?

Si on se regarde le nombril et se préoccupe de nos intérêts seulement c'est sur que oui mais, ca c'est une autre question...

   

Ok time for me to show my ignorance on how the politics work in Canada. I thought your PM was elected for a certin number of years how is it that in the middle of his/her term there can be another election to see if he/she stays PM? Or am I misunderstanding what is going on in Canada at the moment.

   

I just love those empty and good looking separatists sentences....

(The independence of Québec is not about Canada it is about the affirmation of the Québecois people to the world.)

HAHAHA the world doesn't give a the the smallest shit about Quebec`s independence...LOL who do you think we quebecers are!!??? The chosen ones?????

(Tu vis avec des Québecois alors tu dois bien te rendre compte que ce peuple évolue et qu'il a besoin de se donner un État pour se réaliser pleinement dans le monde.)

Translation : You live with quebecers you must have witnessed this people is evolving and it needs to become a State to grow better and faster in today`s world... (Sorry f0or shitty translation senseless sentences are hard to translate)

Man this is so empty of meaning. Se réaliser pleinement dans le monde...WOW belle phrase! Nice sentence!

   

Stratos ...

The liberals were in a minority position in parliament since a year and a half. (ONly had 133 deputees when you need around 154 for majority)

The NPD supported them to gain majority but now it`s over...

All opposition parties deposed a (don`t know if it`s the right word) kind of mistrust motion.

It was accepted by the 3 opposition parties so the PM went to the Governor General to ask her to dissolve the parliament and start elections...

When in majority the governement in power must start some elections within a certain time period when his mandate ends but not a fix date...

   

Hé bigChuk maybe you should Think big.

If you want Quebecer as a people to keep looking at the parade well that your prerogative but I will fight you at the ballot box. So if what I say is so full of nothing then what do you propose in order to change the mind and hearth of million of Québecois?

Be nice little Quebecer and stfu... well sorry but that won't work.
OR Le Canada ces le plus meilleurs pays du monde fa que on va continuer à décider ce qui est bon pour vous???

As a people les Québecois are mature enough to decide where they want to go with there society and that require having a independent State. Right now even Jean Charest is pulling is hair trying to deal with ottawa and Thomas J. MULCAIR is sympatizing with the PQ because he can't stand Stéphane Dion. The funny thing in the present situation is that the provincial liberal are proving that Québec as Canadian province is "ingouvernable"

Ces fini les folies stie More and more of your compatriots are getting confident enough and they want to have there own country. It is not normal for a people to live like if they don't exist as a nation. Maybe to you this is trivial but to me and for many other it's important.

Tu parle comme un vrai Coloniser, Think Big Big Chuck

   

Not to worry that you don't understand the system. Here's a brief description of it.

We have an election. Parties run candidates run in 'ridings' divided roughly along population lines. Whoever gets the most votes in a riding, wins and goes to Ottawa. So far, it's not that different from your system, except that we make no allowances for specifics about the people; religion, minority, economic status etc. Ridings are simply based on population, eg 110,000 voters = 1 riding.

Now once elected, the party with the most seats in Parlament becomes the Government. The party with the 2nd most seats, is the Loyal Opposition. The leader of the party that is Government, is Prime Minister, and he chooses his cabinet from elected officials in the Government. The leader of the Loyal Opposition is the Leader of 'Her Majesties Loyal Opposition' and forms a shadow cabinet to keep the government in line.

In the last Parlament, there were 4 parties, the other two (NDP and Bloc) were considered 'Opposition' but not 'the official opposition'. Being the official opposition gives you a few more 'perks' in Parlament.

The Prime Minister, by law, must call an election every 5 years. He can call one whenever he wants, but the limit is 5 years. What happened with the last election was the Government had more seats than the Opposition, but the Opposition + the 2 other parties outnumbered the Government. This is a 'minority' government. The government has been running because 1 party, the NDP, sided with the Liberals in order to have a greater say in what Parlament did. The Liberals + the NDP + a couple independents > the Conservatives+the Bloc. In essence, they had a slim (1 vote) majority in the house. On a sad note, that 1 vote was an independent, Chuck Cadman, who died recently.

The tradition in all government is that if they lose the vote on certain types of bills, eg: A budget bill, then they have 'lost the confidence of the house' and the PM can ask the Gov. General to dissolve Parlament, and an election is called. The GG can say 'no' and ask the Opposition to form the government, but this has only happened once. The government doesn't have to be a minority one to 'lose the confidence of the house', but if the Government is a majority one, it's never happened.

What happened yesterday was the Opposition proposed a bill (last Thursday, to be voted on yesterday) that read "Be it known: That the House of Parlament has lost confidence in the Government". They lost the vote, and the GG dissolved Parlament.

Clear as mud?

   

Elvis, c'est toi qui parle comme un colonisé... C'est toi qui veut te libérer des ''Evil Canadians'' qui veulent juste le pire pour le Québec

OR Le Canada ces le plus meilleurs pays du monde fa que on va continuer à décider ce qui est bon pour vous??? ......

Pas le choix on est trop innocent pour mettre nos député aux pouvoir on aime mieux etre dans lopposition nous = No choice, we are too dumb to put our MP`s in the government we'd rather bitch in the opposition...

what do you propose in order to change the mind and hearth of million of Québecois?

Unfortunatly, you can't change the way a heart feels you can change how a mind thinks though...

I suggest a democratic reform.... like a mixt system
I suggest reform of the Senate where senators would be elected instead of names by the gvt
I suggest I recalibration of taxes( Federal should coollect a smaller % so provinces could get the funds needed directly instead of arguing with the federal government...

These are just ideas thrown in....

   

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