The missfires of the Toronto gun ban
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ridenrain @ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:57 pm
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A man was shot to death and two others injured in a shooting at a church in the northwest end of the city early this morning.
Police said roughly 500 people were in attendance at the late-night bash at a hall owned by the Disciples Revival Church on Gordon MacKay Rd. in the Jane St. and Hwy. 401 area when gunfire erupted.
Police said roughly 500 people were in attendance at the late-night bash at a hall owned by the Disciples Revival Church on Gordon MacKay Rd. in the Jane St. and Hwy. 401 area when gunfire erupted.
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/467883
Somebody's going to have some damned tough penance come the next confession.
hwacker @ Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:05 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
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A man was shot to death and two others injured in a shooting at a church in the northwest end of the city early this morning.
Police said roughly 500 people were in attendance at the late-night bash at a hall owned by the Disciples Revival Church on Gordon MacKay Rd. in the Jane St. and Hwy. 401 area when gunfire erupted.
Police said roughly 500 people were in attendance at the late-night bash at a hall owned by the Disciples Revival Church on Gordon MacKay Rd. in the Jane St. and Hwy. 401 area when gunfire erupted.
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/467883
Somebody's going to have some damned tough penance come the next confession.
hrmm Jane and 401, I’m going out on a limb and gonna call that one on the Jamaicans.
Pimpbrewski @ Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:23 pm
There is definitely a problem in TO.
Orpheus_Emerged @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:27 pm
I live in Toronto, and despite having a shooting on Brunswick St not a block from where I live, few people worry about getting shot here.
The violence is isolated in the gang community, criminals shooting other criminals, and the beatings and stabbings are almost entirely related to bar and club activity of drunken kids from the suburbs playing at being criminals.
I used to live in Vancouver, and if I had to compare the two, Toronto is far safer.
Of course, it hardly bears mentioning that both cities are relatively harmless - you can walk through Parkdale in Toronto or East Hastings in Vancouver at night, drunk, obviously out of place and suffer little more than some annoying panhandling.
It's a non-issue, statistically the number of people who die from violent crime is inconsequential compared to motor vehicle accidents or problems arising from improper medication (just to name two).
Miller's stance on firearms is ridiculous pandering, and it's hurting the wrong people, rifle ranges are being shut down in the city (some of which have existed since the city's birth and have perfect safety records).
cheryl08 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:43 pm
Banning hand guns is if anything; a minimal start....
If they are serious about this hand gun ban, they need to send a very serious message...harsher punishment for gun posession and longer sentences for offenders without early parole.
It would also be helpful if stores and businesses didn't sell gun accessories in their stores such as bullets making them easily accessible to people who shouldn't be carrying guns in the first place.
SprCForr @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:20 pm
Can't buy ammunition without a licence. It's been like that for some time now.
snuggles61 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:25 pm
beefcake beefcake:
Toronto doesnt have a gun problem,they have an immigration problem!i might take flack for this,but it's true!
No flack here,what you say is true.
cheryl08 @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:23 pm
snuggles61 snuggles61:
beefcake beefcake:
Toronto doesnt have a gun problem,they have an immigration problem!i might take flack for this,but it's true!
No flack here,what you say is true.
Can i ask how you arrived at this conclusion?
BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:47 pm
SprCForr SprCForr:
Can't buy ammunition without a licence. It's been like that for some time now.
Sure you can. Drive across the border and buy all you want.
CommanderSock @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:08 pm
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Toronto doesnt have a gun problem,they have an immigration problem!i might take flack for this,but it's true!
Ya, those damn Italian and German immigrants always causing rukus.
dino_bobba_renno @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:24 pm
I think the funniest thing in all of this is that the Toronto Star just finished running a week long special on how stiffer sentencing for violent crimes doesn't work. They also spent a fair amount of time and space in their paper bragging up the fact that Toronto has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
ShintoMale @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:31 pm
Toronto crime rates are lower than most north american cities
SprCForr @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:37 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
SprCForr SprCForr:
Can't buy ammunition without a licence. It's been like that for some time now.
Sure you can. Drive across the border and buy all you want.
Don't have to. I was proactive a few years ago.
ridenrain @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:14 pm
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Man shot in head after fest clinging to life
By TOM GODFREY, SUN MEDIA
The Toronto Sun
A 20-year-old man was fighting for his life last night after he was shot in the head in front of hundreds of people while handing out flyers at Jamaica Day celebrations.
Hundreds of men, women and children leaving Keelesdale Park celebrations had to run and duck for cover after a shot was fired by a lone gunman around 11:30 p.m. Saturday, Toronto Police said.
By TOM GODFREY, SUN MEDIA
The Toronto Sun
A 20-year-old man was fighting for his life last night after he was shot in the head in front of hundreds of people while handing out flyers at Jamaica Day celebrations.
Hundreds of men, women and children leaving Keelesdale Park celebrations had to run and duck for cover after a shot was fired by a lone gunman around 11:30 p.m. Saturday, Toronto Police said.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/ ... 1-sun.html
What do you want to bet that these fine citizens who deplore violence won't help th this criminals conviction?
Far from me to suggest that the problem is a race issue but a gang issue.
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For Fantino, it adds up to an alarming problem. "These gun-toting gangsters we have here now have absolutely no fear of the system, no fear of the law."
Fantino told a news conference that the justice system doesn't provide an effective deterrent and called for an inquiry, saying that all levels of government have to find a solution.
Fantino told a news conference that the justice system doesn't provide an effective deterrent and called for an inquiry, saying that all levels of government have to find a solution.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/11/ ... 31106.html
We need to look into who are in the hangs, and I doubt their the ones buying fancy firearm accessories and going to the shooting ranges.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:19 pm
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Man Dies On Front Lawn As Area Residents Ignore Sound Of Gunshots
Tuesday August 26, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff
It's difficult to ascertain exactly why so many residents on Bon Echo Ct., in the Markham and McLevin area ignored the sound of gunshots in the early morning hours of Tuesday. Many likely didn't want to get involved, while others simply mistook the sound for fireworks, or some other equally innocuous neighbourhood ruckus.
But as the sun rose and the blindfold of night was lifted, their collective folly was revealed.
A woman on her way to work stepped out the front door and made the horrific discovery - a young man lay dead on her front lawn. Police believe his bullet-ridden body may have been there for almost seven hours, and it's likely that he was desperately clinging to life for part of that excruciating stretch of time.
Unfortunately, no one bothered to call police, and without timely medical intervention, he didn't stand a chance. A day later the realization that a simple 911 call could have saved a life was resonating with residents who now regretted their aloofness.
"I heard three shots and I didn't bother to call the police," one resident, who didn't want to be identified, admitted.
"I regret it because now I find out the guy didn't die right away...it took time, if I did call the police it could have made a difference."
Prema Suresh was sure she heard the loud bangs in her bedroom at around 1am. "I asked my husband, 'Why don't you check, I heard a shooting noise,'" she remembers. "My husband said 'No, no, no, no. That was the wind, you know, or a raccoon flipped over the garbage.'"
The man had already expired by the time emergency services personnel arrived and homicide detectives are combing the area for clues.
"The body has been removed, on its way to the morgue," noted a grim Det. Sgt. Chris Buck. "We have been able to identify who this young person is but I'm not going to reveal the name until we've notified next of kin."
Authorities believe he was shot near the Malvern Town Centre, but a trail of blood shows he struggled to escape the area before collapsing on the front lawn.
"We've been able to locate the beginning of a blood trail in a small stand of trees in behind the mall and it moves in a northwesterly direction...and a little farther northwest into the yard."
There are no known motives or suspects yet.
It's the 42nd murder of the year and the 25th at the point of a gun. It's a grim statistic, but it's an improvement over 2007 - last year at this time, we'd already had 55 homicides.
Tuesday August 26, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff
It's difficult to ascertain exactly why so many residents on Bon Echo Ct., in the Markham and McLevin area ignored the sound of gunshots in the early morning hours of Tuesday. Many likely didn't want to get involved, while others simply mistook the sound for fireworks, or some other equally innocuous neighbourhood ruckus.
But as the sun rose and the blindfold of night was lifted, their collective folly was revealed.
A woman on her way to work stepped out the front door and made the horrific discovery - a young man lay dead on her front lawn. Police believe his bullet-ridden body may have been there for almost seven hours, and it's likely that he was desperately clinging to life for part of that excruciating stretch of time.
Unfortunately, no one bothered to call police, and without timely medical intervention, he didn't stand a chance. A day later the realization that a simple 911 call could have saved a life was resonating with residents who now regretted their aloofness.
"I heard three shots and I didn't bother to call the police," one resident, who didn't want to be identified, admitted.
"I regret it because now I find out the guy didn't die right away...it took time, if I did call the police it could have made a difference."
Prema Suresh was sure she heard the loud bangs in her bedroom at around 1am. "I asked my husband, 'Why don't you check, I heard a shooting noise,'" she remembers. "My husband said 'No, no, no, no. That was the wind, you know, or a raccoon flipped over the garbage.'"
The man had already expired by the time emergency services personnel arrived and homicide detectives are combing the area for clues.
"The body has been removed, on its way to the morgue," noted a grim Det. Sgt. Chris Buck. "We have been able to identify who this young person is but I'm not going to reveal the name until we've notified next of kin."
Authorities believe he was shot near the Malvern Town Centre, but a trail of blood shows he struggled to escape the area before collapsing on the front lawn.
"We've been able to locate the beginning of a blood trail in a small stand of trees in behind the mall and it moves in a northwesterly direction...and a little farther northwest into the yard."
There are no known motives or suspects yet.
It's the 42nd murder of the year and the 25th at the point of a gun. It's a grim statistic, but it's an improvement over 2007 - last year at this time, we'd already had 55 homicides.
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