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Nope. I was educated in English and I’ll use that language in my responses. Besides, I’m questioning your logic and history, not your communication/language skills.



Wrong. Read a history book, as I’m not here to educate the chronically unaware. If you honestly believe that British North America is history-deprived, you are beyond help. Besides, “we” never rebelled, as you erroneously suggested? Uh…American Revolution (English?), Upper Canada (you acknowledged this) and when exactly did the French-Canadians exclusively rebel (Lower Canada 1837)?





Firstly, I don’t have to convince YOU to stay. Your endorsement of the federalist supposition is not needed to authenticate its legitimacy. Deal with it. Secondly, Quebec is different. When did I say it wasn’t? But, Ontario, Alberta, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are different too. Get over your cultural esteem issues. It’s becoming prosaic.




How is the Senate a separatist issue? Are you seriously suggesting that its alleged political usefulness is a cornerstone of a nationalistic movement?

   

To Mustang:

About History related facts : I'm sorry to say that in our high-school history classes (In Quebec) they only teach us one side the France/French/Quebec side. What also doesn't help, specially in Cegep (college) most of our teacher are separatists. You have to be pretty strong minded to stay a federalist after 2 years (minimum) of brain-washing. I never realize that until recently. My husband (a Franco-Ontarian) and I were having a discussion regarding Canadian history. At that point I realize that we were taught two different stories... This is very sad! I don't want to excuse any separatists of changing facts, but this is probably the way they learned it

   

Valentine,

I understand their limited exposure to history, and while I realize their revisionism is ingrained systematically, I won’t condone it nor allow it to go unmolested. Ignorance can’t be placated and history is full of examples where bastardizations of the past have become components of questionable historical agendas – this case is no different. That’s why I’ll continue to hold these separatists accountable for their misrepresentations.

A quick question: how were you instructed to interpret the conquest (after the fall of New France) in history? No ulterior motive here – I’m curious how this pivotal event is handled in Quebec schools.

   

L'étude de Statistique Canada, citée par La Presse, indique que seulement 29 % des Québécois francophones se disent fiers d'être Canadiens.
An interesting read:
A StatsCan research

   

jJ'en fait pas parti c sur lol

what is the fierty to have a country such as canada, witch buy old ruined submarine for his army, the horse police in red...... the queen .....Paul Martin with the 'scandale of commandites" NO i have, absolutely no fierty to be a CAnadien...nope, and btw we have a dead leaves as a flag.... wow nice..

   

wow that about one of the most ignorant things i have seen posted

   

Well this is my point of view : liberty of expressioN! but it nott hot hot a deal leaves has flag...

   

Carpe-Diem,

Apparently, you fail to live up to your name. You've plucked neither the day, nor any semblence of a good point. What does the RCMP have to do with anything about Quebec nationalism? You bandy about federal terms and then, much like seperatist policy, go nowhere with it. I was very curious as to what designs you had for that paragraph.

If these strong minded Quebecois want out, fine, get out. If you're an unelected representative of Quebec on this website, I appoint myself ambassador of Canada and here are the terms:

1. Canada takes back all land granted to Quebec after Confederation.

2. If Montreal votes to stay within Canada, the army is immediately dispatched to repel the brand new foreign invaders and defend the sanctity of Canadian soil.

3. Canada will supply arms and munitions to Native Canadians living in northern Quebec who wish to remain Canadian.

4. Quebec is saddled with their share of the national debt.

5. Quebec is denied access to Canadian currency.

6. Quebec is denied NAFTA, NORAD, NATO by Canada. Good luck finding a market for all that lumber you were planning on cutting down to save your economy!

7. Corporations residing in Quebec will be offered financial incentives to relocate to Ontario or New Brunswick, if the thought of living under idiotic seperatist rule isn't enough already.

8. Canada Customs will interdict any and all ships proceeding to a Quebec port for inspections while crossing through Canadian water.

9. Large posters demonstrating Wayne Gretzky's superior and dominant hockey career will be posted next to Maurice Richard's.

10. Lord Durham will be given a posthumous award as most clairvoyant genius ever.

That's just what I've thought of off the top of my head. However, here is the stance you should be taking from it. Why should Canada treat Quebec with kid-gloves? It's time to quit fucking around with seperatists.

Bon appetit!

   

Notice here fellow Canadians living outside of Labelle PROVINCE :

Here we have our typical seperatist, these people represent the core groups of the movement : They are mainly white, and live in rural areas of Quebec, where the most interesting thing they will see all day would be cows.

Perhaps boredom, perhaps sheer lack of intelligence, adding with a great deal of ignorance, pushes them to do what they do.

This is the type of sovereignist most of us have to deal with. Talk about on and on about useless facts, about dead leaves. They are mostly composed of blue collars, low paying, low IQ demanding jobs.

My theory is that they have been listening to their papa and maman as well as their history teachers, instead of informing themselves. But i guess that comes with the IQ.

   

Partition would never work. You'd have the west island of Montréal essentially an island of Canada floating in the sea a free Québec. Throw in a giant wall and it starts to resemble Berlin. As for bringing the army into Montréal, everyone has seen the results of that before. Imagine what would happen if this time it *really was* a foreign army occupying the city.



One only needs to look at the Akwesasne Mohawks to see that natives can ignore the federal, provincial, and state governments of just about any jurisdiction that they are in. (Much like the Akwesasne Mohawks don't have to clear customs before crossing the border, and deny that neither the Canadian Federal government, the Ontario Provincial government, the Québec Provincial government, the US Federal Government or the New York State government have jurisdiction over their affairs)

As for 4, and 5, these measures would only hurt Canada. Under the sovereignty-association plan, Québec would continue to use the Canadian Dollar and have very close ties to the Canadian Economy. Under your proposal, they would just adopt the US Dollar, the Euro, or maybe a new currency directly pegged to one of the two.

As for 6, I doubt the other parties to NAFTA, NATO, and NORAD would deny entry to a free Québec.



As for 7, the majority of corporations who were afraid of "idiotic seperatist rule", as you put it, already relocated to Ontario.

And as for 8, what would stop Québec from doing the exact same thing to all ships passing through the Seaway en route to Toronto? If that path was chosen, watch how quickly Canadian ports fell into disuse because of all the red-tape.



The last two sound like you just pulled them out of somewhere else. I won't say that I am a supporter of Sovereignty-Association, but I see where this radical departure from the current federal system could have obvious benefits to all of Canada. If it was implemented in Québec it would probably create similar arrangements in the other provinces ... The great language divide would no longer be an issue, and regionalism would probably cease to exist. You'd still have free travel, a common market, and probably common citizenship (much like in the EU). Also, imagine how much money everyone would save when Québec no longer extorts bribe money from Ottawa!

   

hum.. When you say if Montreal vote no for the souvereigty they would be with the rest of Canada, well things dont't work like this my dear, It's all or nothing , not just because there's an English part of quebec it need to stay with Canada, if they want to go with canada, they can ( btw west side is very rich in Montreal they have the money to emigrate to canada lol.)

I know you guys love your Country, and i come over here to say the opposite, well i'm sorry... No country are perfect... and Canada is not near of beiing perfect with his conservatory thing ( i can't understand why we still have the queen on our money and the general-gouverner in this, and the sénat_.

. Please stop saying that souvereigty is an old dream, that it's only low IQ person that think of this... because there is still lot's of reason to separate from Canada, i know times have changed a bit, but things are almost the same. I study history right now and there are tons of reason to separate. If they would have no reason to separate we would have stopped to think about it, but still today , Quebec isn't exploited as his potentiel, Ottawa prefer Ontario, Ontario has all the good thing, and ehre in quebec eyar by year we receiev leass money, the federal closed one of our aeroport.... Ottawa spend 250 millions to do publicity in quebec to say that canada ''love'' quebecois... Quebec is kinda beeing rejected in Canada, this is why souvereigty have all is sense. If we were well treatened , maybe i would be in here to argue at you that we would separate, it's the federal gouvernement that with the year have always rejected quebec....

You guys in here are ataking me, saying i'm stupid, me I'm in here , trying to write in a second language for me , it's not that easy, just try to have a minimum of respect, and try to unerstand what we live in here, because not everybody understand this.

   

and btw , people that things that it will make good to teh economic of CAnada if quebec go away, lol this is false, quebec is the second province after ontario that gives the mores money to Ottawa and that is making canada the way it is, if we separate , yuo'll se Canada will be worst, and in a future, canada will be worst

my reason : in 30 years, as i think the things will be, in B-C they will have finished to cut all the Sequoias, and B-C would have no more economic ressources, Saskatchewan with their cereral, they meteo will have changed cause this region is near of beiing a desert, and culture will be worst and worst, ALberta will have no more fuel, The Antlantic province will have all killed all their fish in the ocean ( if they keep going they way they are doing) Ontario, that is the ''baby'' of canada, that receive by a lot more money , will decreased, and finnally, quebec with there tousould of lakes, will exploit this energy , and will sellthere energie to US and Canada, Hydro-quebec( that is a provincial company_ will give back a purcentage to the quebecois, our trees in the north will be protected because we have won the referenduk in 2010, and in 2013 we past a lwa that the quebecois gouvernment have to power to do what they want with the forest : they can say to a compagny (even if the land is the prropriety of the compagny ) to stop cutting wood.

Quebec in the future will be ok with his ''ressources rennouvelable' and clean ressources. I give 30 years to this and you'll see, environnment is the thing we should take the most take care of it.

   

6. Quebec is denied NAFTA, NORAD, NATO by Canada. Good luck finding a market for all that lumber you were planning on cutting down to save your economy!

Were the heel have you decided this????? Quebec will stay quebec with the ressources they have ! Why the heel are they denied by this?!? It's iSn't the property of Rupert like in the 1800, not the north of quebec, is to quebec, lol. and all the water, will be to quebec to lol... the part of the St-laurent will be to quebec too, but were the hell have you found that????

And btw, lol, we wil have the right to keep CAnadien money, it's in the chart that i read.. lol!

Ho, yes, note that i am for the souverenety association too,

   

Hello everyone!

Sorry for the one who seam to be emotionaly affected by this thread, but i find all this realy funny.

People should cold down a litle, it look like the civil war as already started:)

I am a Quebecois, do i am proud of it? Yes and no..... Yes because i think Quebec people have acomplish a lot of great things, i love where i live, Quebec is my famely. No because if i wish i will never born here, why? simple, we are a litle group of french in all continent of english people, the result is we are mostly cut from the continent.... I rember a US TV show who as visited ontario, ther mascotte was a dog puppet, the guy was walking in the streets of quebec city insulting people there.... "he! we leave in north america, speak the language!" (not sure if that was exacly what he say, but i was close to that)

Now, what the separation for me, nothing more then a tool, come on, dont you see it? It so simple... Quebec have started to grow went people have started to talk about "independance", we stop to be a assimilated peoples and beging to become a economic power.... we gain respect, just because people was scared we realy leave the Canada.

But now then we are less dependant from Canada that cause many more problemes, we are probably the highess taxe rate in all Canada, because we have paralel system, it like we was already independant but we still pay for Canada.... Man i hate seeing half of my pay check going in impot and tax.... But it the price to pay to protect our french eritage and our valor.

Also i have a question for the other Canadian : (we still are Canadian after all )

In 1995, federal gouvernement have pay plane tickets to many Canadian from othe province to came in quebec to say they love us, and to not leave Canada, my question is, what do you love in us? What exacly will be different from now if the Quebec leave the Canada, from what i read here yet, i dont realy think peoples will cry to much about it.

Well, it about it, i hope people will not see in my reply another reason to start a flam, it was not my intension, i want simply to share my point of view, and like other quebecois i will ask to forgive me for my bad english.

thank you

   

Gawrak, Quebec is one of the reasons Canada is a very unique nation on earth. Splitting this nation does no one any good and would be like getting an arm or leg cut off. Hell yeah we have differences, people in Nova Scotia have a different lifestyle and culture than I do here in BC, but I don't think BC should leave Canada. The differnces in the regions of our nation makes it a great place and I love Quebec in it as much as BC or the Yukon or PEI. It's a good thing that we stay together.

   

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