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Can you not read? Because they're allowed to. They also have a pussy union that was the first to crack to 2 tier wage demands.

Don't need the pamphlets, I was a BA and delegate for years and years and railroaded better terms for those part-time people you rednecks claim unions don't stand up for. Like being able to pee when you need to, not when the boss says you can.

And that's why they earn more, work fewer hours, get better benefits, more vacations and have more disposable income than they ever did before? [/sarcasm] What world do you live in?

Nothing. That's your choosing. Join the fucking union, worm.




And there is no more need because everything is perfect now? Progress and gains should be stopped because all targets have been reached or can be achieved by going backwards.

And your point is what? Jim Pattison and David Emerson would look out for your interests in Ottawa so former union people aren't needed?


Exactly, you just made my point. Even leeches benefit from unions. Hell, my first job out of high school in '71 followed the letter of the Steelworkers contract and paid 25c an hour more to keep them out.

   

Sorry but I dont need a union to bargain for me,try growing a set.

   

The mines in the elk valley are represented by the
Steelworkers,operating engineers,UMWA and the Greenhills worker association which is the breakaway non union association of the steelworkers started by the guys.

Guess which one's are still working and not going through shut downs?

   

Yeah, and look at the auto industry. Toyota isn't unionized and they're the only car company in the black right now. Their product is quality and their demand has remained strong throughout the current economic crisis.

   

I wrote off the 3 years of tax free dues that clac sucked out of me and admits oweing me,wonder who revenue canada would go after,me or them?

I dont want to get in shite with the govt.

   

So I guess when they think of Unions they can thank them for shitty hours and no benefits.

   

Here comes the bigot.

   

The last two unions I was a member of, if for some reason I was removed from the union I would instantly lose my job. That's in the contract. No union membership no job.

   

The biggest problems with Unions is that there is no chose. If works were give a choose to join, then I'm fine with them.

   

That doesn't work. In shops where unionized and non-unionized workers are combined, there are NASTY problems. Westinghouse in Hamilton tried this and non-unionized workers were assaulted, had their cars vandelized, etc. The idea of choice sounds nice, but isn't practical.

   

I know the mines hire the non union contractors for the tough work in the valley.Their union employees are treated like cattle,they get a number and have to do the same thing the same way everyday,even a piss has to be punched into the gps computer as a delay.Their not allowed to hang out with any management on days off either.A good friend of mine manages one of those mines and he just shakes his head at the policies.Getting bad he says when he has to get his wife to answer the phone as he cant directly talk to or hang with the union members.

The contractors do the exploration work and road and construction jobs.They are very well paid and kept far away from the union guys.No one bothers them,they need no supervision.

   

Why are there "NASTY problems" and what caused them?

   

Ask the union guys,they get pissy when a non union guy is in their shop.

   

If Unions are so great and work for the befit of everyone, then why should chose make any difference to them. People will choose to be in Unions because it helps them the most. Since people do not always chose Unions and since Unions are not willing to give people the chose.It makes you wonder hwo may befits Unions have, if any?

   

Unions were created because of abuse by management. They exist from the lowest blue collar level to the highest education level with euphemisms such as professional organizations like those of the doctors,etc. Corporations have their own "unions" which lobby governments for measures that lead to more profit,less competition, more power, more control, more pay for CEOS, more perks etc. It could be said that unions give the workers some of the same rights as management. They attempt to level the playing field.

The bottom line question who contributes most to the profitability of a large organization: the workers or management? Considering Conrad Black, Madoff and others in business, and Superintendents of Education who have abused their management role for personal gain, it could be argued that malfeasance and incompetence at the executive level can destroy an organization faster than the relatively inexpensive demands for respect and worthwhile pay from the workers.

I would be inclined to say that the stupid/lazy people could just as easily be in management as in the unions and with more power the stupid/lazy people in management are creating more and bigger problems for everyone.

   

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