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Why some people don’t train

I work with the proletariat and some of them just aren’t training orient. They think they’ll “make a go of it” at a blue collar, even low wage job, but deserve to be paid fairly for working hard 42 to 45 hours a week.

For some of them school is not their thing, they can’t stand it. For some they know they are “C” students and with all the competition today they doubt they’ll get hired any way. An alternative in today’s competitive market is to work for a company and become knowledgeable in a field – that’s the traditional way and its back.

Some people get “caught”. They have kids before they train and then the finances of it become too difficult. Women often see themselves as Moms first and workers second. They don’t get trained as a result and when they graduate from raising a brood they go on to service jobs – which they are very good at. Immigrants are especially in this class, as they come with children already.

The other problem is training everyone would not raise the number of good jobs in the economy.

We live in a work ethic country here in Canada, it’s a meritocracy. It has to be to compete in a world of 7 billion people.

The working class put in long hours and consider themselves hard working. Almost everyone tries to do they job well.

I personally would have never thought of not getting trained. I took Computer Science at University.

This is a topic that some people post about but don’t appreciate so I wrote it up.

   

The problem with unemployment and low wages is ofter addressed by "we need training". In fact politicians have been offering this as the solution for at least 35 years. As a result the universities and the colleges are already large. Post secondary education is subsidized in our country, youth realize they have to get a training to avoid a dead end job and so formal education is already a big deal in our society. The college system here in Toronto is amazing, addresses all sorts of skills. In fact post secondary education is probably over invested such that there are more graduates than good jobs in many fields. This means that only the top students will be getting hired. I've heard the situation described as "educational warfare" were students really have to hustle to get to the better opportunities. In Canada about 25% of the jobs are low wages, $12 or less, so the people there are really under the gun to break into a better job. The competition is pretty fierce. So when I hear people say we need more training not only does this overlook the present tight situation but it overlooks the fact that training will not increase the number of good jobs. So that's the modern situation.

   

It's true. Nothing is for free. If you don't equip yourself with education/training and continue to enhance your skill set, you will get minimum wage.

Life is a competition.

   

There's no guarantee that if you do enhance your skill set, you won't get minimum wage tho. You can't expect people to invest more than the return will be. That would be stupid, and no business would do that either. Yet, it is expected from people.

A BA to be an administrative assistant, making $13/hr? Come on.

   

Freedom of movement is a Charter right Brenda. Move to where the work for pay is optimal.

   

True. And maybe some people need to reexamine their expectations - there's a massive "sense of entitlement" out there and this can affect whether some one feel they're "worth" whatever station they chose in life.

What you're saying is true - if you don't like your situation, change it, relocate, but don't expect much sympathy when you can't even be bothered to move to find more gainful employment

   

To expect a higher salary, you have to be able to prove you're worth it. Training and degrees are not proof.

   

In Canada we have unemployment in the regions and have had for a long time - people should have moved. If you look at the statistics when they did move they moved to where the headlines said the economy was good. There was net migration to Ontario, and then to Alberta, then BC and then back to Ontario as the provincial economies went up and down. Unfortunately in the last 35 years the main cities haven't always had good economies so I believe this suppressed internal movement. At times there has been net migration out of Ontario. I believe the central government overlooked migration as a solution to unemployment and rather maximized immigration instead.

   

I've gone to school for two undergraduate degrees and a graduate degree(plus the training I received in the military). I went where the jobs were(over a large part of the world) and took more training when I felt I needed to better my chances.

   

it is if you're a doctor....a student who graduates with the lowest grades, in his class, at med school is still called doctor, just like the person who scored the highest.

   

Well if you can do it, anybody should be able to.

   

Yet Timmies seems to be your career ceiling and earning potential....hmmm I hope your coffee isn't as bitter as you are

   

And you're educational background is......?

   

Sounds like the educational warfare I mention.

   

Why would anyone invest more than they will ever get out of it, or than they will ever be able to pay off?

   

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