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Learned a long time ago,being a woman, in order to succeed in a man's world...

You have to work twice as hard and be "The bigger Prick" only in a vain attempt acheive the same goals as men.
More oft than not...a futile attempt at best.

With less pay for more work of course.

   

Lunatic, you have managed to make a cogent and civil point. There does appear to be a left winger out there capable of it after all. Touche.

Avro, I'm not going to debate my post on Liberal Corruption on this thread. Maybe I'll shred your arguments over there later, but here the topic is Left vs Right. If you choose not to debate me, you're only cheating yourself bud.

Donnie, you are absolutely pathological. While I do agree racism in Canada exists, I would argue most it comes from you guys on the left. Oh yeah, there's still a few hard-right skin heads around, all 9 of them.

No, the only real racism I see is when members of so-called "Target Groups" get promoted and transferred to good positions not on merit, but due to their race or gender. That really is an "old boy's club", but now it's called "Promoting Diversity." You may argue Donnie, that that's just making up for the sins of the past. But I don't think that I, having done nothing more than committed the sin of being born a white male, should be held responsible for every historical injustice, real or imagined, that you and some over- educated, under-employed, sociology major feels has ever been perpetrated by this country.

It may be Donnie, that natives in Canada weren't always treated with the respect they deserved. There's also been a tremendous amount of goodwill sent your way by mainstream society. You now live in a country where natives have access to free university, preferential hiring in the RCMP/Military/Government jobs, access to below prime, government sponsored, small business loans, government handouts etc.

Donnie, if you really want to see an "Old Boys Club", I suggest you take a look at some of the band councils around this country. Try getting a job on a reserve if you're not part of the Chief's clan, or showing up at a council meeting to question some of the band's spending practices (a new snowmobile for every member of the Chief's family ever year or two, while kids on the reserve are STARVING and the people don't have clean water to drink.)

Whose fault is that Donnie, mine or the Jews?

Addressing those issues would actually take some effort, and involve hard choices. Much better to blame the white man for everything eh?

More class warfare from Donnie.

   

The fact is that the workplace does not reflect the population. Why is it, if we are all so equal, that this is the case?

And if we are indeed minorities, then how does catering to our needs over the needs of the majority get people elected?

And how does your awkward view of catering to minorities work for the CEO's of IPSCO, RBC, CIBC, Nexin, CAMECO, Wallmart etc... when they are capitalist driven, privately owned enterprises?

The reason is that their shareholders see the value in employing a workforce that reflects the people that they serve and the communities that they are in. They tell their HR managers to hire from every group of society and be judged on their ability to do so. They are not punishing whitey for hiring mistakes and discrimination, they are recognizing that good business means employing people from all sectors of society.

Not only is this good for business, but it is good for society.

   

Donny Wrote: "And how does your awkward view of catering to minorities work for the CEO's of IPSCO, RBC, CIBC, Nexin, CAMECO, Wallmart etc... when they are capitalist driven, privately owned enterprises?

The reason is that their shareholders see the value in employing a workforce that reflects the people that they serve and the communities that they are in. They tell their HR managers to hire from every group of society "


So, forgive me for missing your point Donnie, but if all these companies are voluntarily hiring minorities, then what's your problem? If that's the case, and I believe it is, then doesn't that abrogate your argument that we need affirmative action programs?

   

So given all of our advantages as Natives, minorities, women, whatever, why does such an equal society have such huge inequalities?

Equity programs do not mandate promotions or hiring of unqualified people. It promotes diversity in the workplace so that everyone, regardless of anything, has a fair chance if they try hard enough.

Apparently giving anyone a fair chance besides you white folks is not equality.



It is those people who are immature and unskilled and basically unsuitable for the jobs and promotions that they are trying to get that scream "reverse racism" when they don't get hired.

If you are not scared of competing on an equal level with everyone for jobs then you should be embracing equity strategies.

So run and hide, because the competition just got tougher. And mention your views in your next job interview please, hopefully I'll be doing the hiring.

   

Because the CEO's and the Shareholders do not sit in on job interviews for all levels of staff.

And yes, equity programs are designed to make themselves extinct, and if you would take your hood and sheet off for a few minutes and see what we are trying to accomplish, in 5 or 10 years we will have improved the lives of everyone in Canada, not just white males.

And guys like me will have to find a new cause.

   

So, let me get this straight. It's acceptable for YOU to discriminate against ME because you disagree with my point of view. Regardless of my ability or experience? Is that what you're saying?

I've said nothing that any fair minded person could possibly construe as racist, yet you accuse me of being a member of the KKK, you advocate discriminating against me because of a political point of view, and you swear at me?

So tell me once again that the Left isn't shrill, hysterical and hypocritical.

   

Swear at you?

If I have offended you with a swear then I apologize.

And just a tip, mouthing off your political point of view at a job interview is not a good idea.



Unless your applying for a job at Jim Pankaw's office or for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation that statement will not get you hired anywhere in Canada.

   

It is called systematic, institutionalized racism. Someone said they didn't think racism existed in Canada, except for a few skinheads...

   

I don't blame the Jews, some of my best friends are Jewish.

   

Sorry, I didn't know the Canadian Taxpayer's Federation was known to be a racist organization.

I guess anyone who disagrees with you is racist though, eh Donnie?

One more reason that word is beginning to lose any meaning to thinking people. Hysterical overuse.

   

I get to stand up for people who get trampled over by the likes of you.

And I feel like in the long run the world will be a better place.

And hopefully my children will not have to put up with the racists and the bigots (and the sexists) that me and my generation and the generations before us have.

   

Well thank you Avro, I appreciate that. As I'm sure you're aware, Arnold proved himself a loyal subject of the Crown, against the American Rebels. As I too am a loyal subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, Defender of the Faith and Queen of Canada, then I guess you've summed me up quite well. That said, I think you better re-read my original post on this thread. I just did, and can't see what it is that you believe is traitorous. I think you'll see that, as I said before, it was a different thread I posted on that set you off to foaming at the mouth.

Seriously though, I think I've pretty much proven my point.

I've read very few posts refuting my arguments. Just mindless personal attacks, calling me a traitor, piece of shit, racist, etc. It hurts guys (sniffle, sniffle).

Donnie, you started off ok, bringing up your views on affirmative action and the injustices against natives. Unfortunately, you blew a gasket when I had the audacity to disagree with you and then you ended up coming across like a crackpot.

One of the coherant points you made was your argument about the inequitable treatment given to native war vets. You should have stuck to that instead of braying at the moon. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular case, so I can't debate you intelligently on it. But if it is as you say, that native vets have been denied the same benefits as their white bretheren, then that is an injustice and should be addressed.

Anyway, ding, ding, this thread is going nowhere. This will be my summary. The Right wins again. I'm not going to respond anymore to the mindless personal attacks. I may respond to a literate argument if someone presents it, but I don't expect to hear that from Donnie or Avro anymore, so you guys might as well switch to something else.

   

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