Your Gun Control Program At Work
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:13 pm
Madman Madman:
and you anti gun BS does twist the facts either if i double tpped a post my bad
it seems the experts do not agree with you, you have your veiw, i have mine leave it at that, i am wasting my time at this point
it seems the experts do not agree with you, you have your veiw, i have mine leave it at that, i am wasting my time at this point
What experts are you talking about those experts over at lufa?
Come on madman lets debate the issues. I posted data from the government of the U.K.! Data that was collected by the police forces, you quoted data from newspaper articles and pro gun sites!
Come on man!
Tricks @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:15 pm
CAGERATTLER CAGERATTLER:
You're not one of these guys who believes long guns are not used in crime are you?
Come on madman you're more intelligent than that!
Tricks @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:17 pm
CAGERATTLER CAGERATTLER:
Madman Madman:
and you anti gun BS does twist the facts either if i double tpped a post my bad
it seems the experts do not agree with you, you have your veiw, i have mine leave it at that, i am wasting my time at this point
it seems the experts do not agree with you, you have your veiw, i have mine leave it at that, i am wasting my time at this point
What experts are you talking about lufa?
Come on madman lets debate the issues. I posted data from the government of the U.K.! Data that was collected by the police forces you quoted data from newspaper articles and pro gun sites!
Come on man!
Patrick_Ross @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:19 pm
Resisting... urge... must... not...
Aw, fuck it.
Everyone, say it with me now:
OWNED!!!
Madman @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:21 pm
but wait, i posted an actual report from the home office not a review like you did, that wait shows stats backing up the huge jump in violent crime, if you cared to read it you would have seen that.......
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:26 pm
Madman Madman:
but wait, i posted an actual report from the home office not a review like you did, that wait shows stats backing up the huge jump in violent crime, if you cared to read it you would have seen that.......
And the date on your was? Mine was for the year ending March 2005!
Was yours newer than that?
How about you address the questions I asked!
Why do you think a handgun registry works and a long gun registry doesn't?
Do you believe long guns are never used in crime in this country?
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:30 pm
Hey madman I addressed your quote about the old system no comments?
WHY?
Tricks @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:37 pm
CAGERATTLER CAGERATTLER:
Why do you think a handgun registry works and a long gun registry doesn't?
Do you believe long guns are never used in crime in this country?
Do you believe long guns are never used in crime in this country?
First one.
Neither work. That was easy
Second one.
They are very rarely used.
Madman @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:38 pm
when did they ban in the UK happen, 1998 not 2005, your point?
did they UK do anything drastic about gun controll recently, thanks for proving my point, switching sides?
long guns never, of course not, much less than handguns, yes
"Why do you think a handgun registry works and a long gun registry doesn't? "
because it has all the laws in place needed and has worked for 70 years
why the long doesnt, if has gone horrbily over budget, produced minimal results for the $$$, that kind of money could have gone 10-15 times furthur in the hand of border security and law enforcment
got any more rhetorical questions? if ya do keep em to yourself, your running in circles, if ya have nothing new you have nothing, as others said you 1, us 12(or so), you aint changing my mind, i am wasting my time, got shit to do
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:51 pm
Madman Madman:
when did they ban in the UK happen, 1998 not 2005, your point?
did they UK do anything drastic about gun controll recently, thanks for proving my point, switching sides?
long guns never, of course not, much less than handguns, yes
"Why do you think a handgun registry works and a long gun registry doesn't? "
because it has all the laws in place needed and has worked for 70 years
why the long doesnt, if has gone horrbily over budget, produced minimal results for the $$$, that kind of money could have gone 10-15 times furthur in the hand of border security and law enforcment
got any more rhetorical questions? if ya do keep em to yourself, your running in circles, if ya have nothing new you have nothing, as others said you 1, us 12(or so), you aint changing my mind, i am wasting my time, got shit to do
did they UK do anything drastic about gun controll recently, thanks for proving my point, switching sides?
long guns never, of course not, much less than handguns, yes
"Why do you think a handgun registry works and a long gun registry doesn't? "
because it has all the laws in place needed and has worked for 70 years
why the long doesnt, if has gone horrbily over budget, produced minimal results for the $$$, that kind of money could have gone 10-15 times furthur in the hand of border security and law enforcment
got any more rhetorical questions? if ya do keep em to yourself, your running in circles, if ya have nothing new you have nothing, as others said you 1, us 12(or so), you aint changing my mind, i am wasting my time, got shit to do
Lets deal with the old system that you think was so wonderful.
#1. You do know it was a paper system and only availible 9 to 5 five days a week! Like if the cops needed some gun info on the weekend they were out of luck!
With the new system push a few buttons on a computer and voila there is your info instant and on a 24/7 basis!!!
#2. The old system that just registered handguns cost 30 million a year THAT 30 million came out of the local police budgets!
Did you know these facts?
Madman @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:05 pm
and?, criminals dont register guns, so what good is for that, the very people who they want to know if they have guns and it does no good? the old systems could have gon PC for allot less than 1-2 billion.
i am done with your shit, dont bother you are not capable
PluggyRug @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:09 pm
Pull
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:12 pm
Madman Madman:
and?, criminals dont register guns, so what good is for that, the very people who they want to know if they have guns and it does no good? the old systems could have gon PC for allot less than 1-2 billion.
i am done with your shit, dont bother you are not capable
i am done with your shit, dont bother you are not capable
Here is some info about the old and new systems. Please take a little time to read it and then post your comments o.k.?
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/media/Speeche ... 2004_e.asp
The Program has reduced police paperwork and enhanced officer safety
The Firearms Act introduced a new system of firearms control. Many of these changes were specifically directed at reducing your paperwork and workload, and to enhance officer safety.
For example, under the old system police from many provinces were responsible for processing applications for Firearms Acquisition Certificates, applications for minors' licences, permits to transport and firearms registration certificates. Chief Firearms Officers and the Registrar are now responsible for this work. The Program's data system helps speed up many of your investigations, as previously hours and days were spent searching paper documents to trace firearms found at crimes scenes to the last legal owner. Now, it can take """seconds or minutes."""
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:v8 ... =clnk&cd=4
Provide Tools for Police and Prosecutors Real time access to information about who owns which firearms is critical to support policeefforts to reduce risk, to identify and lay charges for illegal possession of firearms and to successfully prosecute firearm offences. Under the old system only 1/3 of gun owners had FACs and only handguns were registered. Access to the system was during """business hours via the telephone.""" Access is now online and integrated with CPIC. Over 90% of gun owners and85% of legal guns are registered
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:jy ... =clnk&cd=7
Canada’s new gun control system improves the screening of legal gun owners, increases their accountability and provides tools to prevent the diversion and misuse of firearms. Licensing screens applicants for identified risk factors, criminal records, training and references. The attacks leveled at the costs of "the registry" often obscure the fact that most of the money has been and will continue to be spent on screening and licensing gun owners and on monitoring their eligibility, not on registering guns. It is true that the new system is not cheap - $70-80 million a year in "steady state" - but in ""1991 more than $30 million a year was spent (mostly from local budgets) on a system which did not go the job."" Today, the cost of gun control amounts to two or three dollars per year per Canadian. It is an investment that brings with it valuable protection.
The registration of firearms is less costly than licensing but no less important. While people say "criminals" will not register their guns we need to ask where "criminals" obtain firearms in the first place. All illegal guns begin as legal guns (either in Canada or the US) and in order to fight the illegal gun trade, we must try to keep legal guns in the hands of licensed gun owners. Under the old system, only 1/3 of gun owners had valid Firearm Acquisition Certificates and rifles and shotguns were not registered. Without individual accountability, there was little to prevent legal gun owners from selling unregistered guns to unlicensed owners. In addition, police had no way to enforce safe storage laws as guns could not be traced back to their owners. Without a registration system, police have no way of distinguishing legal from illegal guns and no way of tracing unrestricted firearms.
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:16 pm
Madman Madman:
and?, criminals dont register guns, so what good is for that, the very people who they want to know if they have guns and it does no good? the old systems could have gon PC for allot less than 1-2 billion.
i am done with your shit, dont bother you are not capable
i am done with your shit, dont bother you are not capable
No madman you're the one who is not capable! Not capable of dealing with the truth!
Like how bad the old system was! Gee you seem to know about computers your using one right?
OLD SYSTEM was a paper system new system is computer based fast and data available to the cops 24/7!
CAGERATTLER @ Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:21 pm
O.K. Madman you don't seem able to discuss the flaws with the old system so lets talk about long guns used in crime!
You said it was rare that a long gun is used in crime!
How rare do you think it is?
It won't be that rare after they scrap the long gun registry because then there will be nothing in place to stop long gun owners from selling their long guns to anyone EVEN CRIMINALS!!! Gee a new market for criminals wanting long guns!!!!
HERE IS A PART OF MY SOURCE I POSTED ABOVE THAT DEALS WITH THIS SITUATION::::
Under the old system, only 1/3 of gun owners had valid Firearm Acquisition Certificates and rifles and shotguns were not registered. Without individual accountability, there was little to prevent legal gun owners from ""selling unregistered guns to unlicensed owners."" In addition, police had no way to enforce safe storage laws as guns could not be traced back to their owners. Without a registration system, police have no way of distinguishing legal from illegal guns and no way of tracing unrestricted firearms.