Canada's shift to the right. Follow the money.

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb]You have a profound lack of understanding of the difference between a mainframe and supercomputer. I suggest you refrain from embarassing yourself further. [/QUOTE] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=supercomputer su·per·com·put·er P Pronunciation Key (spr-km-pytr) n. A mainframe computer that is among the largest, fastest, or most powerful of those available at a given time." Mainframe/SuperComputer Same thing dumbass.

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] A mainframe computer that is among the largest, fastest, or most powerful of those available at a given time." Mainframe/SuperComputer Same thing dumbass.[/QUOTE] *Bzzzzzzt* But thanks for playing. I warned you to stop. [quote Wikipedia] Supercomputers traditionally gained their speed over conventional computers through the use of innovative designs that allow them to perform many tasks in parallel, as well as complex detail engineering. They tend to be specialized for certain types of computation, usually numerical calculations, and perform poorly at more general computing tasks.[/quote] <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer#Design'>Link</a> [quote by Wikipedia] The distinction between supercomputers and mainframes is not a hard and fast one, but generally one can say that supercomputers focus on problems which are limited by calculation speed while mainframes focus on problems which are limited by Input/Output and reliability. As a consequence:[/quote] <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainframe#Mainframes_vs._supercomputers'>Link</a> As I said, odds are that Cancer researchers already have access to a mainframe. The list you gave was for the top University computers. Here's a list of the *top* overall computers, worldwide - including function. <a href='http://www.top500.org/lists/2005/11/basic'>Link</a> Note the function of #2: [quote by BlueGene Function]IBM plans to use the system in a variety of fields including life sciences, hydrodynamics, materials sciences, quantum chemistry, molecular dynamics and fluid dynamics and business applications.[/quote] Note the function of several others; Nuclear testing, Earth Weather simulation, Battelfield simulation . . . Supercomputers are application specific. They are designed to do one thing, and do it well. The IBM Big Blue that beat Gary Kasparov was designed to play chess. I't couldn't do your taxes, if it tried. And have a look at #30, the one I linked to above, that is for rent to the general public. Note, that I'm sitting beside a Compaq Himalaya and two IBM z-Series machines.

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] A mainframe computer that is among the largest, fastest, or most powerful of those available at a given time." Mainframe/SuperComputer Same thing dumbass.[/QUOTE] *Bzzzzzzt* But thanks for playing. I warned you to stop. "quote Wikipedia"[/QUOTE] Wikipedia? I rest my case.

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] WHAT MAINFRAME? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT SUPERCOMPUTERS ARE IN CANADA? NONE! [/quote] Why ask questions you already know the answer to? [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] And yeah, for the record, my gripe over lack of SuperComputers wasn't my own idea, it was from several of my friends in the field whom constantly had to deal with the politics of underfunding. [/quote] So, this is your answer to underfunding? [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Corporate taxes MUST GO. Taxing Corporations is ludicrous![/quote] [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Again, you're sold on 'doing it on the cheap'. I can't convince you otherwise, you really believe that R&D is something that should be bottom-listed and cut-funded. [/quote] Now, where did I say that? [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] The whole concept of 'more beds' is one of the biggest farces of the 21st century. Beds don't cure people...CURE'S CURE PEOPLE. [/QUOTE] Tell that to the guy bleeding in the hallway of the emergency room, because all the beds are full. "But we have the #3 supercomputer in the world!!"

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Wikipedia? I rest my case. [/QUOTE] Of course you do. Logical fallicy: Supression of evidence. <a href='http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:fG0TDlH3KvgJ:www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/12/15/wikipedia.ap/+site:cnn.com+wikipedia&hl=en'>Google cache of CNN "Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica"</a>

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Wikipedia? I rest my case. [/QUOTE] Of course you do. Logical fallicy: Supression of evidence. <a href='http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:fG0TDlH3KvgJ:www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/12/15/wikipedia.ap/+site:cnn.com+wikipedia&hl=en'>Google cache of CNN "Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica"</a>[/QUOTE] Besides seeing the 'wall of cocks' on the Wiki entry for George Bush... *what's your point*? Google/CNN/Wikipedia are ALL AMERICAN. My original argument was that Alberta is now perfectly positioned to outbid all the other provinces via the very best tax/breaks/incentives humanly possible. Basically, Alberta can offer every American/Canadian Investor the healthiest/best economic incentives to open shop in Alberta. All the while Ontario is falling apart with the GM plants closing. Alberta's oil will soon outstrip even Saudi Arabia in terms of output, thus placing Alberta in the #1 spot of influence in all of Canada. Alberta also is the home of Conservatism, and basically that ideology will reflect onto the rest of the provinces (if they want to do business with Alberta). Just see what happens if an NDP government were to try and 'level the playing field' by forcing Alberta to transfer more of their money to Atlantic fisheries, or how the Feds have toyed with seizing Alberta's oil fields as a Federal Crown property. I'd be the first to join my FELLOW CANADIANS in an uprising against BIG BROTHER. Would you? Would anyone here? Didn't think so. Which means I'm more of a Canadian than you or anyone else here ever could be. I sometimes wonder if you actually understand what the meaning of 'Vive Le Canada' is all about. For myself, it's upholding the rights of Individual Canadians as a nation of individuals, to prosper and fail as they see fit in the game of life.

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Besides seeing the 'wall of cocks' on the Wiki entry for George Bush... *what's your point*? Google/CNN/Wikipedia are ALL AMERICAN. [/quote] Well, Wiki is technically a *world wide* collaboration, in the spirit of the story of 'Stone Soup'. Some pages, however, thend to be vandalized. But, not the ones I linked to. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] My original argument was that Alberta is now perfectly positioned to outbid all the other provinces via the very best tax/breaks/incentives humanly possible. [/quote] To which, as an Albertan, I totally agree. Which is why I didn't post until you started off into la-la land. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] I'd be the first to join my FELLOW CANADIANS in an uprising against BIG BROTHER. Would you? Would anyone here? [/quote] You'll have to queue up behind me. I went on the record here years ago that I will defend my home from any hostile takeover along the lines of the NEP. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Which means I'm more of a Canadian than you or anyone else here ever could be. [/quote] You want to whip 'them' out and see who's drags the most? [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] I sometimes wonder if you actually understand what the meaning of 'Vive Le Canada' is all about. For myself, it's upholding the rights of Individual Canadians as a nation of individuals, to prosper and fail as they see fit in the game of life. [/QUOTE] <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'>

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] Well, Wiki is technically a *world wide* collaboration, in the spirit of the story of 'Stone Soup'. Some pages, however, thend to be vandalized. But, not the ones I linked to.[/QUOTE] Why couldn't Canada of made such a service? Where's the innovation/invention in Canada? That's my point, Canadians are perpetually just *waiting* for America to come up with the 'next big thing', but on the othe hand Canadians will eternally/bitch/complain about America. It's bullshit [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] I'd be the first to join my FELLOW CANADIANS in an uprising against BIG BROTHER. Would you? Would anyone here? You'll have to queue up behind me. I went on the record here years ago that I will defend my home from any hostile takeover along the lines of the NEP.[/quote] with what? Protest cards? Flags? Leftists are all on record for having a universal draconian gun ban. I'm saying, if it would mean fighting the Feds over a Stalinesque takeover of a Provincial territory via non-democratic means...I'd be the first to join the fight. Same for Quebec. I hate the idea of Seperation, but I want Quebec to be a part of Canada via democracy/votes...if the government were to simply march in the troops (whatever is left) and simply take over Quebec...I'd also fight that. The role of Federal government must be that of eternal vigilance to prevent themselves from overstepping the boundaries of Provincial/Federalism. My loyalties are to the flag, and the flag is to the Provinces (Canada was made in such a manner)...not the fucking Feds. Harper is the only politicians that see's the purpose of government is to *lessen* their influence by rescinding nationalized government programs, and to allow provinces to act accordingly to see how they should run things.

[QUOTE]Basically, Alberta can offer every American/Canadian Investor the healthiest/best economic incentives to open shop in Alberta.[/QUOTE] You really have to admire someone that so eager to have his province sold out to American and other corporate interests. This "slavery" mentality among some Albertans is interesting. It is almost as if the person involved does not understand that when investment really entails selling out. It is like back in the days of the Atlantic Fisheries when every right winger was pressuring the federal government to sell out stocks to both foreign and domestic corporate interests at the same time as the left wingers were complaining about the lack of capital investment. Often the two extreme views push the same agenda with the same disastrous results. Alberta will have to make its own mistakes. After all oil is less of a renewable resource. Just one new major energy discovery and the Alberta economy will begin to sink with the Atlantic fishery.

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Why couldn't Canada of made such a service? Where's the innovation/invention in Canada? That's my point, Canadians are perpetually just *waiting* for America to come up with the 'next big thing', but on the othe hand Canadians will eternally/bitch/complain about America. It's bullshit [/quote] You are looking in the wrong places if you're looking for Internet innovations. Don't get me wrong, they're cool and all. If you want Canandian/Albertan innovators, look for the company that is a world leader in GPS electronics. Look for the Alberta company that is using nanotechnology in depositing Silver metal, and creating the best bandage to heal burns in the world. There are more, and I'd provide links, but I have to scoot soon . . . [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] with what? Protest cards? Flags? Leftists are all on record for having a universal draconian gun ban. [/quote] No, strong finger wagging and harsh words. 50 slaps with a wet bus ticket. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> Be very careful before you use the "L" work in reference to me. I tend to give people interesting ideas on how they might justapose their ankyloglossia until it tears their frenula. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> I am a Red Tory. I believe in being Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Small government is best. I have served and bled for my country on foreign soil. I also have a decent collection of long and short range weapons. Don't assume because you think you know someone's politics that you know how they'll behave in defense of their beliefs. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] I'm saying, if it would mean fighting the Feds over a Stalinesque takeover of a Provincial territory via non-democratic means...I'd be the first to join the fight. [/quote] I'm saying you won't be first, because you'll be behind me. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Same for Quebec. I hate the idea of Seperation, but I want Quebec to be a part of Canada via democracy/votes...if the government were to simply march in the troops (whatever is left) and simply take over Quebec...I'd also fight that. [/quote] Agreed. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] The role of Federal government must be that of eternal vigilance to prevent themselves from overstepping the boundaries of Provincial/Federalism. My loyalties are to the flag, and the flag is to the Provinces (Canada was made in such a manner)...not the fucking Feds. [/quote] Part of the Oath that soldiers take, reflects that sentiment quite well. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Harper is the only politicians that see's the purpose of government is to *lessen* their influence by rescinding nationalized government programs, and to allow provinces to act accordingly to see how they should run things. [/QUOTE] See, there I disagree. I used to be a Conservative, back when they were 'Progressive'. I don't believe Harper is anything close to that. I think he wants just the opposite. Total government control over everything in our lives. But, time will tell.

What people like Rabblewatch fail to understand about Harper is that he envisages a trade off. That trade off is ones personal freedom for the freedom of the economic elite to control every aspect of society. That is why the Conservative platform is focused on tax cuts for the rich and are not concerned with deficits: both help reallocate wealth from the bottom to the top of the economic order. The economic elite becomes the virtual government though the "private-public" arrangements and the privatization of public services and public wealth. The Mulroney government started the process by transferring power to private corporations through the FTA and the process was continued by the Liberals through NAFTA. This economic elite is the group that Harper plans to "free" from public control. In a sense I think Harper's ideas are similar to communist ideas in that there will be a withering away of the state as government and the capitalist plutocracy are merged to maintain social control. The majority of Canadians will have far less freedom, both economic and personal, under a Harper concept of government.

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Why couldn't Canada of made such a service? Where's the innovation/invention in Canada? That's my point, Canadians are perpetually just *waiting* for America to come up with the 'next big thing', but on the othe hand Canadians will eternally/bitch/complain about America. It's bullshit [/quote] You are looking in the wrong places if you're looking for Internet innovations. Don't get me wrong, they're cool and all. If you want Canandian/Albertan innovators, look for the company that is a world leader in GPS electronics. Look for the Alberta company that is using nanotechnology in depositing Silver metal, and creating the best bandage to heal burns in the world. There are more, and I'd provide links, but I have to scoot soon . . . [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] with what? Protest cards? Flags? Leftists are all on record for having a universal draconian gun ban. [/quote] No, strong finger wagging and harsh words. 50 slaps with a wet bus ticket. Be very careful before you use the "L" work in reference to me. I tend to give people interesting ideas on how they might justapose their ankyloglossia until it tears their frenula. I am a Red Tory. I believe in being Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Small government is best. I have served and bled for my country on foreign soil. I also have a decent collection of long and short range weapons. Don't assume because you think you know someone's politics that you know how they'll behave in defense of their beliefs. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] I'm saying, if it would mean fighting the Feds over a Stalinesque takeover of a Provincial territory via non-democratic means...I'd be the first to join the fight. [/quote] I'm saying you won't be first, because you'll be behind me. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Same for Quebec. I hate the idea of Seperation, but I want Quebec to be a part of Canada via democracy/votes...if the government were to simply march in the troops (whatever is left) and simply take over Quebec...I'd also fight that. [/quote] Agreed. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] The role of Federal government must be that of eternal vigilance to prevent themselves from overstepping the boundaries of Provincial/Federalism. My loyalties are to the flag, and the flag is to the Provinces (Canada was made in such a manner)...not the fucking Feds. [/quote] Part of the Oath that soldiers take, reflects that sentiment quite well. [QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] Harper is the only politicians that see's the purpose of government is to *lessen* their influence by rescinding nationalized government programs, and to allow provinces to act accordingly to see how they should run things. [/QUOTE] See, there I disagree. I used to be a Conservative, back when they were 'Progressive'. I don't believe Harper is anything close to that. I think he wants just the opposite. Total government control over everything in our lives. But, time will tell.[/QUOTE] I still say spend a year in Toronto and you'll never say that you are socially liberal again.

[QUOTE BY= Rabblewatch] [QUOTE BY= jesse]I applaud anyone who spends millions to building the 97th largest supercomputer in the world and then does medical research on it. But the smart businesses are the ones NOT building a supercomputer and still renting enough time to do that same research, for a fraction of the cost.[/QUOTE] This 'doing it on the cheap' is basically treating scientists like second class citizens. You'd rather throw money at bedpans instead what scientists want which is research grants and Mainframes. This type of half-assedness is already is happening in Canada, and many scientists are leaving in droves to a place where they don't have to say 'please' when it comes to using mainframe time. When a doctor is researching a cure for Cancer, he can say 'fuck you' to anyone. We should all step out of the guy's way and give him every single tool possible to get the results. You have a profound lack of understanding over R&D, and I suggest you refrain from further comment. [/QUOTE] Canadians can be envious at universities and the grant system is a mess, BUTTTTT, the grant system is also getting worse in the U.S.A... As for your assertion Canadians haven't invented anything, Bullshit. We have probably invented more per capita than most countries--just as much as the U.S. and we frequently build things the best when we want and can afford to. ---Canada built the lens on the probe that touched down on Mars last year. --Canada was the 2nd country to send a satellite into space. --Canada's bombardier is thinking about developing an innovative C Class regional jet, or even expanding it further and building a bigger one. Read one of these 2 books: 1 - Ralph Nader's "Canada Firsts" <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0771067135/qid=1137551372/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/701-9713647-7434733">here</a> or this one: 2 - "More Canada Firsts" by Duff Conacher <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0771022441/qid=1137551673/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/701-9713647-7434733">here</a>

[QUOTE BY= Innes] [QUOTE by RabbleWatch]Basically, Alberta can offer every American/Canadian Investor the healthiest/best economic incentives to open shop in Alberta.[/QUOTE] You really have to admire someone that so eager to have his province sold out to American and other corporate interests. This "slavery" mentality among some Albertans is interesting. It is almost as if the person involved does not understand that when investment really entails selling out. [/quote] He will. I think he and I have had a good conversation here today. At least his mind is opening to new ideas. A few more weeks, and perhaps he may be ready for a moment of clairity. [QUOTE BY= Innes] What people like Rabblewatch fail to understand about Harper is that he envisages a trade off. That trade off is ones personal freedom for the freedom of the economic elite to control every aspect of society. [/quote] It's the subtlety that he doesn't see. Perhaps you and I are just so old and jaded that we automatically see what is between the lines. (I've given up the notion that perhaps there is nothing between the lines, and I'm just being paranoid.) [QUOTE BY= Innes] That is why the Conservative platform is focused on tax cuts for the rich and are not concerned with deficits: both help reallocate wealth from the bottom to the top of the economic order. The economic elite becomes the virtual government though the "private-public" arrangements and the privatization of public services and public wealth. The Mulroney government started the process by transferring power to private corporations through the FTA and the process was continued by the Liberals through NAFTA. This economic elite is the group that Harper plans to "free" from public control. [/QUOTE] I'm too old and have too many election scars to believe another 'Red Book'. [QUOTE BY= Innes] In a sense I think Harper's ideas are similar to communist ideas in that there will be a withering away of the state as government and the capitalist plutocracy are merged to maintain social control. The majority of Canadians will have far less freedom, both economic and personal, under a Harper concept of government. [/QUOTE] Ahhhh! The Communists call it 'from each according to his abilities . . .'. Conservatives call it 'Privatization'.

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] As for your assertion Canadians haven't invented anything, Bullshit. We have probably invented more per capita than most countries--just as much as the U.S. and we frequently build things the best when we want and can afford to.[/QUOTE] A few more for your list: Telephone Blackberry The paint roller Sure, they aren't things like 'hydrogen', but they are pretty much part of every day life.