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[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />why don't you read some of the articles I have commented on or have posted.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I did, thats why I wrote what I wrote. I wouldn't come out and attack you like that if I didn't think it was justified.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest]You don't think this works both ways. We live in a global community now any top dog can go out and buy wahetevr it is. You have to stop thinking on the National scale and think internationally. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />What I wrote about Sweden was at a time when the world was roughly as "globalised" as it is now. The Suez & Panama Canals had just opened, it was easier (in relative terms, not absolute of course) to get information about products, and transportation costs were greatly reduced. We can do the same thing now, no prob. <br /> <br />-NSay

   

NSay... transportation costs are reduced... true, but for how long? With the Yanks diving into the Middle East headfirst, isn't that a good indication of what can be clearly seen at the fuel pumps: oil discovery is peaking. <br /> <br />So here's a little scenario to ponder: oil prices shoot up... transportation prices shoot up... the cost of living goes up... the quality of living goes down... globalisation begins to break down as more localised economies begin to prosper (due to the lack of transportation needed)... the US reacts by seizing more and more foreign resources, only to be confounded by more and more foreign governments... military intervention is the last chance the US has to keep a hold on the comfort zone of obscene consumption... hmmmmmmmm..... then what?

   

[QUOTE BY= Kory Yamashita] NSay... transportation costs are reduced... true, but for how long? With the Yanks diving into the Middle East headfirst, isn't that a good indication of what can be clearly seen at the fuel pumps: oil discovery is peaking. <br /> <br />So here's a little scenario to ponder: oil prices shoot up... transportation prices shoot up... the cost of living goes up... the quality of living goes down... globalisation begins to break down as more localised economies begin to prosper (due to the lack of transportation needed)... the US reacts by seizing more and more foreign resources, only to be confounded by more and more foreign governments... military intervention is the last chance the US has to keep a hold on the comfort zone of obscene consumption... hmmmmmmmm..... then what?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Oil production has indeed peaked we can discover new resources all we want but the problem is that with increased used by countries like China we have more people consuming and the same amount of product being circulated our suppliers cannot keep up with demand as most easy sources of oil have already been tapped into.

   

That is true. So elaborate and tell us more. You have obviously given the matter serious consideration.

   

I hope most Canadian Forces soldiers in the future do not think like Stymie.

   

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] I hope most Canadian Forces soldiers in the future do not think like Stymie.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />most Canadian soldiers are proud of their organization and proud to be canadian as am I but they also know firsthand what our military's requirements are and they believe drastic change is needed.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed] I hope most Canadian Forces soldiers in the future do not think like Stymie.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />most Canadian soldiers are proud of their organization and proud to be canadian as am I but they also know firsthand what our military's requirements are and they believe drastic change is needed. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />You're speaking in generalities. Of course change is needed. The issue is what kind of change. I didn't like what I read. Canadian sovereignty over a Canadian-built military for the defence should be our prioirity. End of story. I also laugh when people try to insult the intelligence of people on this board who have had discussions WAY above your level of political knowledge for a long time, which makes a mockery of your arrogance. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

Aahh! Stymiest is a Newbie to the military, and that's why he's so gung-ho. It'll wear off. <br /> <br />One thing we can do to wean ourselves off imported oil is to develop new energies, like wind or solar energy. Another is to properly fund public transit, especially in cities- not only is gas used in regular travel, but traffic congestion is the leading cause of gas consumption in the US (so, maybe not in Canada, but you have to assume it fits in). Decrease traffic, decrease gas consumption. Of course, oil is also used as a bargaining chip for the Middle East, which curtails the amount of sovereignty Canada can exercise. If it takes time to decrease our consumption, perhaps we should look into strenghtening ties with Venezuala. It seems like they could use a friend 'bout now.

   

[QUOTE BY= Brianne] Aahh! Stymiest is a Newbie to the military, and that's why he's so gung-ho. It'll wear off. <br /> <br />One thing we can do to wean ourselves off imported oil is to develop new energies, <br /> <br /> If it takes time to decrease our consumption, perhaps we should look into strenghtening ties with Venezuala. It seems like they could use a friend 'bout now.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Yes, he'll soon become jaded as some have . . . <br /> <br />BTW - Canada does not net import any oil. That is, we do import a small amount of US oil where markets make that cheaper than Canadian oil, but the net result is we are an oil exporter. <br /> <br />Hmmm Venezuela, not a bad idea! <br /> <br />

   

And I knew that, too! Aah, too much time reading too many things... getting a bit cloudy in my brain. <br /> <br />You are right of course. However, often, propaganda makes it seem different. If you went and asked people on the street, they'd probably think that Canada <i>does </i>import oil from the Middle East, and that does shape their opinion, whether its true or not. We might scoff at the US oil-based foreign policy, but most assume that it is our policy, as well. That shapes voting patterns and national opinion, I think. Most of the people I know are a bit antsy at the idea of annoying or angering Middle Eastern nations (beyond the fact that we don't like to anger anyone) because the assumption is that they can destroy us economically, if they want. <br /> <br />Which, I guess, they could...

   

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed]I hope most Canadian Forces soldiers in the future do not think like Stymie.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Brianne]Aahh! Stymiest is a Newbie to the military, and that's why he's so gung-ho. It'll wear off. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Canadian soldiers can think however they please, as long as they follow orders and get the job done. <br /> <br />People, you are berating Stymiest for making personal attacks, then everyone turns around and attacks him on the rebound. I think it's time for a cease-fire. Everyone, including Stymiest, lay-off the attitude and just discuss the topics at hand, without insulting anyone's opinions. If this thread is just going to be a place for people to trade rude comments then it should be buried, along with the hatchet.

   

It's true, the Middle East controls the oil. Canada is sitting on small pockets, while Middle Eastern countries are sitting on top of a sea of it. Has anyone ever read Frank Herbert's Dune, or seen the movie based on it? "He who controls the spice, controls the galaxy." Substitute oil instead of spice, and world instead of galaxy. A country like the United States who imports a lot of their oil from the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia, is definetly going to be under some pressure if they decide to lower the volume they produce. As Brianne said earlier, the only real way for a country like the US to escape the clutch of the Saudis is to research new energy sources. The problem is that we can't expect to see large scale implementation of new energy sources for at least another decade, probably longer. For now, we need to find a way to put pressure on oil exporters to pump up the volume. And before anyone gets too excited, I'm not talking about going to war. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/confused.gif' alt='Confused'>

   

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen]Canada is sitting on small pockets, while Middle Eastern countries are sitting on top of a sea of it. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Dude, Canada is #2 in oil reserves (still in the ground) and #1 if you count oil in the ground for which there is not yet technology to extract it. <br /> <br />We're sitting on friggen huge pockets! <br /> <br />

   

Didn't mean that we don't have a lot of oil, just that it's harder to tap because we can't just drill anywhere and expect to come up with oil. The reason Middle Eastern countries are such prominent oil suppliers is that they are situated on top of a huge reserve of oil which they can easily tap into. We may have just as much, or even more, but it's not as accessible.

   

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