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what debate? How about.... a comprehensive industrial strategy? Someone like Harper would say that we've got a "comparative advantage" in staple exporting, but until ~1900-1910 we had a comparative advantage in exporting finished manufactured products. When Britain was the only country having an industrial revolution, Canada produced cast-iron stoves that could compete with British ones in quality & price. The engines used in the first steamship to cross the Atlantic were 100% Canadian made, out of Canadian steel, assembled in Canada with Canadian parts. We were also the 8th-largest manufacturing economy in the world until Laurier's reign of terror (he was the Harper-on-crack of his day). We should take a page from Sweden's book; at around 1870 all their land & ironworks, etc were owned by British & German industrialists, much as all of Canada is owned by Americans today. Coincidentally, their landscape has an uncanny similarity to the Canadian Shield. Anyway, all of a sudden in ~1870 all the politicians looked at each other & said "what the f$&^ have we been doing?!?!" & they (most of them) committed to lowering foreign ownership & encouraging Swedish industry. (I think Harper thinks we should help out Canadian industry, whatever there is, but with more "free trade" & wiping out subsidies, etc, which is the opposite of what pretty much every other country did)

   

Excellent points N Say. I believe we should take a page out of the history books of Sweden and start lowering foreign ownership and encourage more Canadian industry. This will strengthen our sovereignty and boost our economy. If Canadian politicians listen to non-profit organizations like Vive and to the ideas that countries like Sweden and Cuba have, but not to the full extent of what Cuba has done, we can turn this country around and have a Canadian revolution. Interesting about Sweden, they have the Nobel Peace Prize Awards, one won by a Canadian PM Lester B Pearson, great healthcare system, and great minds like Ingvar Kamprad (creator of IKEA) and Lukas Moodysson (made a few films the world is familiar of) <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

   

[QUOTE BY= N Say] what debate? How about.... a comprehensive industrial strategy? Someone like Harper would say that we've got a "comparative advantage" in staple exporting, but until ~1900-1910 we had a comparative advantage in exporting finished manufactured products. When Britain was the only country having an industrial revolution, Canada produced cast-iron stoves that could compete with British ones in quality & price. The engines used in the first steamship to cross the Atlantic were 100% Canadian made, out of Canadian steel, assembled in Canada with Canadian parts. We were also the 8th-largest manufacturing economy in the world until Laurier's reign of terror (he was the Harper-on-crack of his day). We should take a page from Sweden's book; at around 1870 all their land & ironworks, etc were owned by British & German industrialists, much as all of Canada is owned by Americans today. Coincidentally, their landscape has an uncanny similarity to the Canadian Shield. Anyway, all of a sudden in ~1870 all the politicians looked at each other & said "what the f$&^ have we been doing?!?!" & they (most of them) committed to lowering foreign ownership & encouraging Swedish industry. (I think Harper thinks we should help out Canadian industry, whatever there is, but with more "free trade" & wiping out subsidies, etc, which is the opposite of what pretty much every other country did)[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You don't think this works both ways. We live in a global community now any top dog can go out and buy wahetevr it is. You have to stop thinking on the National scale and think internationally.

   

[QUOTE BY= Mr.Can-Euro] Excellent points N Say. I believe we should take a page out of the history books of Sweden and start lowering foreign ownership and encourage more Canadian industry. This will strengthen our sovereignty and boost our economy. If Canadian politicians listen to non-profit organizations like Vive and to the ideas that countries like Sweden and Cuba have, but not to the full extent of what Cuba has done, we can turn this country around and have a Canadian revolution. Interesting about Sweden, they have the Nobel Peace Prize Awards, one won by a Canadian PM Lester B Pearson, great healthcare system, and great minds like Ingvar Kamprad (creator of IKEA) and Lukas Moodysson (made a few films the world is familiar of) <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Pearson was a smart guy unfortunately you people are not most of Pearsons ideas have been twisted by us too meet what we think the world should look like.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Hi guys I am the new guy on this site and I plan on bringing lots of heated debate to this site as it seems to be lacking.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I'm not sure spamming counts as debate... just keep in mind that quality is better than quantity.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />Pearson was a smart guy <b>unfortunately you people are not</b> most of Pearsons ideas have been twisted by us too meet what we think the world should look like. [/QUOTE]<p> <br />I think you better reconsider calling our readership stupid. It's a very easy way to get yourself banned from this site.<p> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />Pearson was a smart guy <b>unfortunately you people are not</b> most of Pearsons ideas have been twisted by us too meet what we think the world should look like. [/QUOTE]<p> <br />I think you better reconsider calling our readership stupid. It's a very easy way to get yourself banned from this site.<p> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />what people can't take a bit of criticism around here or what <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/razz.gif' alt='Razz'>

   

Regarding the global economy. A global economy is just that - a mechanism that operates under market conditions. <br /> <br />To suggest that the nation has less of a role to play now is to suggest that any given economy can meet all demand. <br /> <br />I will freely admit that people and nations can make mistakes. However, it is foolish to assume that the economic interpretation of a supply/demand graph is going to help rural employment or provide non-specialized opportunities in a given market.

   

I do not mind criticism. I believe criticism is a helpful way to learn from our mistakes and learn how to see both sides of a situation. As long, however, the criticism is positive and some of your criticism Stymiest is and some is not. A bit off topic but is anyone aware of the anti-Canadian and anti-Mexican site "United North America" <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> where members gather and talk on how Canada and Mexico are going to end up as part of the United States one day. I'm thankful that Vive is around along with other Canadian nationalism sites so I can see and discuss with people who believe in Canada and how to fix its problems <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/razz.gif' alt='Razz'> .

   

That's funny, I'm sure I heard some less then "positive" criticism when discussing certain Canadian and American politicians on this site. Let's face it, not all criticism is candy-coated for your pleasure. People in this forum have been kissing each others rears for so long without any real debate that now when someone comes along with something different to say, everyone thinks they're under attack. Two words of advice: Toughen up.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />what people can't take a bit of criticism around here or what <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/razz.gif' alt='Razz'> [/QUOTE]<p> <br /> <br />Criticism is great. Argument is great. Healthy debate is what we are all about. But play nice. Read the FAQ. Once you start making it personal, that why we have Moderators. I've never had to use 'the' button, and I don't want to start now.<p> <br />You make some good arguments, but don't resort to schoolyard antics <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'><p> <br />[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Two words of advice: Toughen up.[/QUOTE]<p> <br />Once anyone starts resorting to 'you are all stupid', they have already lost the argument. It has nothing to do with the thickness of my skin.<p> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />what people can't take a bit of criticism around here or what <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/razz.gif' alt='Razz'> [/QUOTE]<p> <br /> <br />Criticism is great. Argument is great. Healthy debate is what we are all about. But play nice. Read the FAQ. Once you start making it personal, that why we have Moderators. I've never had to use 'the' button, and I don't want to start now.<p> <br />You make some good arguments, but don't resort to schoolyard antics <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'><p> <br />[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] Two words of advice: Toughen up.[/QUOTE]<p> <br />Once anyone starts resorting to 'you are all stupid', they have already lost the argument. It has nothing to do with the thickness of my skin.<p> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />alright Dr. Caleb I will keep my pitbull comments too myself but just because I am nice guy <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Hi guys I am the new guy on this site and I plan on bringing lots of heated debate to this site as it seems to be lacking.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />So far the heated debate you've brought is to call people stupid, morons, naive etc...If you want to argue your side of the issue, that's fine, we welcome the debate. But so far most of what I've seen from you is parroted right wing talking points peppered with mean spirited attacks. Grow up or find a forum more suited to your style of 'heated debate'.

   

[QUOTE BY= arc628] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Hi guys I am the new guy on this site and I plan on bringing lots of heated debate to this site as it seems to be lacking.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />So far the heated debate you've brought is to call people stupid, morons, naive etc...If you want to argue your side of the issue, that's fine, we welcome the debate. But so far most of what I've seen from you is parroted right wing talking points peppered with mean spirited attacks. Grow up or find a forum more suited to your style of 'heated debate'.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />why don't you read some of the articles I have commented on or have posted.

   

[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />why don't you read some of the articles I have commented on or have posted.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ok Then: But be advised that these may be out of context: <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest]Keep watching fahrenheit 9/11 and living in your little ideologue world moron[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] Why don't you actually go find a source for your arguments and back them up. I will get you some figures because you just don't seem too have it clicking in your head <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />My personal favorite: <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />Pearson was a smart guy unfortunately you people are not most of Pearsons ideas have been twisted by us too meet what we think the world should look like. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest]My view of Western Canada and many views of others in Atlantic Canada is they are spoiled babies who think they have it so rough (Yes controlling most of the countries resources and getting filthy rich is rough). They whine because they have nothing better to do.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] [QUOTE BY= whelan costen] <br />Please reread my statement I said you are contradicting yourself, not a hypocrite. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />LMAO your making me laugh because you have no idea how the energy industry works. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />We have become a nation filled with naive idiots <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />Things don;t just clsoe for no reason contrary to your naive belief lord forbid you ever get elected to office <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />How am I doing so far? <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest]I am laughing just reading some of this stuff now it makes me realize just how weak the average Canadian is <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <br /> <br />You try to argue points in which you clearly have not done any research o and you try and argue your opinion in areas which you have no expertise. You try to argue energy policies with someone yet you have not the slightest idea how the energy market works. <br /> <br />You have no comprehension of how global politics work and you do not take into consideration the effect isolationist decisions will have on our country. <br /> <br />You also have not the slightest idea of how a military is meant too run. You talk about spreading peace and hapiness yet when push comes to shovew you'd rather just take a step back and let the real men do all the work. Go smoke some reefer and contemplate what our neighbours to the south are going to do next. You remind me of hte Quebecers of the 1900's and the 1940s hell Quebec thought WWII was a European conflict and Canada should stay out yeah nice job 6 million jews got massacred hypocrits. French representation was horrid in both wars. <br /> <br />The fact is you'd probably asll love too believe that their is some secret American Organization bent on global domination but lets get out of your little soap opera lives for a moment and get back to reality here. This isn;t hollywood people this is the real world. <br /> <br />With that I bid this forum adios[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />what people can't take a bit of criticism around here or what <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/razz.gif' alt='Razz'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] <br />I am 17 years old from Bathurst, NB and am a member of the Young Conservatives of Canada. I have recently joined the Army Reserve and plan on making the Armed Forces a career after I finish my schooling. I am very interested in geopolitics, military affairs, history. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Do you see where people are coming from? We encourage debate, but these statements are not debate. <br />

   

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