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MP's. I'm talking my chums who are Tories Lil. The MP's in caucus will be given a free vote and the vote for C-38 was just politics of opposition. See it for what it was.

Also, you really need to broaden your pigeon-hole approach to those who don't vote your way.

All Tories are not right wing nut jobs, just some of them!

   

You need to let me speak for myself child.

English is my first language and you will find my command of it is concise and bull shit free. I don't need you or anybody to summarise my views with their own.

You should study the mechanics of our adversarial parliamentary democracy further, then maybe me and thee can speak on the same level.
Until then keep reading that fine web site on computer games and politics.

   

Lily, you are having difficulties understanding me too. I didn't say I spoke with 98 MP's, just my own mates. And really I don't care if you don't believe me. What is your point here?

   

Are you a Tory MP? Then how is my view of Tory MP's in any way a judgement on you? We've already established that you are fully aware that Tory MPs are just as flawed as the opposition, so my critique of them can't possibly be construed as judgement of you.

Unless you're still proving my point about people getting defensive of their parties, sometime to the point of justifying or defending things that they themselves barely agree with. I believe someone else called it "blind faith".

As for the comment about proving a negative, it's valid no matter how long I've been here, or what my views of you are. Lily questioned your view that there aren't Tory posters here who are against SSM. Your response was to point out 3 of you who are for SSM. That's trying to prove a negative, which is pointless.

   

Jaberwhatever wrote:

As are you're arguments. What do you actually stand for?

   

I was wondering when you'd get back to claiming I was immature again. And here I had such high hopes that you'd seen the error of implying that just because I don't have such a bleak outlook on reality that I must be underage...


You need to actively use your skills at being concise. Because you clearly have well developed skills at avoiding answering the question until after the argument devolves into childish insults. You could have a future in politics with a skill like that.


Oh, the video games! Clearly I'm just a 12 year old mad that mommy wants to take my games away, I can't possibly be a middle-aged father who's concerned that politicians are using the flavour crisis of the day to pick away at constitutional freedoms they don't agree with! See? You're doing it again.

   

Ooooo, clever. I'm hurt.


If you can't be bothered to remember, you could at least scroll up and go back a few pages. This is the second time you've demanded I state my views, about 2-3 posts after I do so.

I'm for SSM, I'm against hollow gestures to appease special interest groups, I'm against supporting any party that claims it's got the moral high ground on the other guy while not being any different, I'm for getting constructive work done, and I'm against calling people childish and immature and using it as a reason to be judgemental towards them.

   

Where did I equate my mates with MP's?

Anbody with a modicum of knowledge on our political system knows about three line whips, caucus lines and the like.

I clearly said my mates, not Tory MP's, who vote Tory support SSM. Try and twist that one around Lily. I really don't see what you are getting at here.

I'm well aware of how the party I voted for cast their ballots in the House on this issue. I am also aware that it is not the raging fire of a matter it was even this time last year.
My point has been well made, several times. I really don't know why you are getting all agitated about this. I support SSM, don't you?

The motion will fail, we all know that and we are, me and my mates not 98 MP's (I know mates and MP's both start with the letter 'M', is that confusing you?) are aware of these goings on, yet we will still vote Tory because we agree with other issues they feel strongly about.

There, simple enough for you?
Or would you and your new chum like to argue pointlessly about an issue we agree on?

   

So we both support SSM.

The rest of your stuff is just the usual bollocks then eh?

   

Not like my support or not had anything to do with my questioning of the government's motives for introducing this motion. If I was against SSM, I'd be mad that they were handing me a token gesture in order to appease me, knowing they couldn't follow through, and if I were for SSM, I'd be annoyed that they were wasting their time pandering to a supposed minority in order to appease them by making token gestures when there are more important issues to deal with. Either way I'm disappointed.


I'm so glad you can constructively criticize. So far I'm immature, a child, uneducated, and talking bollocks. Are you just doing this because I'm new here? Or are you really that judgemental about people who don't agree completely with you?

It's almost like you're excusing their behavior because you see SSM as a non-issue, so no matter how silly they behave, it's ok because you don't expect them to get anywhere with their efforts. That's almost justifying government waste...

   

Why are you being such a pain in the arse on this Lily?

It was an election platform because the Tories have a huge Christian base in Alberta.

It was made a free vote, which was destined to fail as the Bloc, NDP and most Libs were and did, vote against it.

We were all aware of that, just add up the numbers against it. I can speak for the voters I know only, you can blather on all day about the MP's but MP's follow party discipline unless there's a free vote.

My MP doesn't call me at home to see how I want him to vote, to suggest that a vote last year negates my claim that my mates support SSM is just asinine.

I don't know why you want to argue this point in such a vehement way. It really is futile and quite annoying. Do you want me to explain every foible of our Parliamentary system?

We all suport SSM but you seem fixated on the point that I'm a flag waving Tory who supports SSM, despite what some Tory MP's say and do.
Does it bother you that Tory voters support SSM?

And what’s with all the “MP votes “crap you keep regurgitating?

Now get over your bigoted view of Tories all being 'right wing nut jobs' and move on.

I used to find your input interesting, this debate has shown me a whole other side of you that isn't nice at all.

   

Actually that's incorrect what he was trying to do was bring back the traditional definition of marriage. I believe a lot of religious people see the term and ceremony of marriage as a sacred religious practice, hence the reading of scripture, and the use of a church in most cases. There's no reason gays couldn't have a civil union and have the same rights as every other Canadian.

   

Not true they could be granted a civil union. I guess the next step is to eliminate a marriage license, since that is descriminatory towards poor people.

   

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