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From a previous post:

Still waiting for the answer to that one. Why now?

   

Up until the Vietnam era the US wasn't ripped apart by open hatred for each other. That's the main difference between now and then, that they weren't enraged at the mere existence of the irredeemably evil "enemy" that they've effectively made of each other based on the three ignorant stupidities or politics, religion, or race. The old kind of tolerance based on civility, that for peace and stability to prevail you have to put up with each other even if you don't like each other, is no longer there. They're perpetually angry and full of hate and it's metastasized to the point where rational behaviour & thinking are dying away a little bit more every day.

   

None of that explains this shooting. This perp had pins and buttons from every political spectrum. We can rule out politics. He was not singling people out based on race, or religion. He has said that he spared people that he liked, and targeted people that he did not like. How can you rule out bullying? People that pissed him off, he went after. People that he liked, he left alone. He has said as much. The last shooter in Parkland was all about being bullied. Not one person in Parkland stood up and said: "this guy is my friend". Not one. They want to blame gun control laws, you want to blame American politics. When people are treated like an animal, they act like an animal. Lets not pretend that kids who think that a tide pod is a basic food group are smart enough to have any ACTUAL political thoughts of their own. They are not. Left vs. right, religion, and race have jackshit to do with these killings (I will concede that they are responsible for 90% of everything else that is going on in the U.S. today).

We used to accept bulling as a fact of life. Boys will be boys, kids will be kids, etc..That is what we were told. We also used to accept that gays had to stay in the closet. We also used to accept that blacks had to use the back door. We are told that we have to instantly let men use the ladies room (like that has always been a thing) or face economic repercussions, why can't we do something about bullying? Apparently some people have had enough, and they are not going to take it it anymore. I say that we give them the same latitude that we give every other aggrieved party. Is it going to kill us to try to be more civil in our dealings with those of us that do not fit in for one reason or another? It looks like it might if we do not do something fast.

Politics is not to blame for this latest round of school shootings in Florida and Texas. Basic human decency (or more rightly, the lack thereof) is. If you treat people like animals, do not be shocked when they act like animals.

   

When one of these assholes actually goes and shoots a bully that made his life miserable then I'll accept it as an excuse. "Pissing him off" or any of that type of terminology like that has so little to do with bullying that it make the bully angle irrelevant. If a punk shoots the whole football team to wipe out the shithead jocks that shoved his head into an unflushed toilet or beat him up on the school bus for six months in a row then I'll buy it, not when he goes and shoots some girls in the art room because the one girl that wouldn't date him was in there too.

That bully myth that's sprung up around Parkland, or all the way back to Columbine, is absolutely disgusting and has zero merit to it. If anything, as is found out later when the press attention is gone, the shooters themselves are usually the class maniacs that go out of their way to intimidate, harass, and hurt other students long before they decide to go on a killing spree. Don't give them the victim status that they don't deserve. Just "snapped, couldn't take it anymore"? BULLSHIT.

   

Because Montana is one of the least populated states and primarily rural populations while California is the most populated with large urban populations

   

https://psmag.com/news/which-states-hav ... gs-and-why

Sounds like primarily a red state problem

   

They're close to the Canadian border?

   

“During the three-year period, 39 states had at least one school shooting, while 11 states did not have any,” the researchers report. “The majority of states (14) had fewer than 10 incidents during this time period, while Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas had 14, 15, 12, 10, and 14 incidents, respectively.”

All states controlled by the NRA.

   

And so there was way, way more of it back in the day. But nobody shot up their school back then. That's a relatively recent phenomenon.

   

I think we need to distinguish between shootings at a school and school shootings. Crime happens, esp in the inner cities, and gunfire in and around schools is not unknown. Sometimes there's a settling of accounts or an argument between two or more people that can result in shootings. That can happen anywhere. I think what concerns us is the kind of thing which just occurred in Texas, or in Florida recently, where some guy goes to school to shoot as many students as possible, most of them strangers.

In looking at the list of 'school shooting incidents' most of the ones in California don't seem to generally follow this pattern. A lot seem gang related. Plus it is hugely populated state, almost 40 million vs 1 million in Montana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ted_States

   

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... s-murderer

   

On the red stat/blue state thing:

I think if you look again Beave, I think you'll find 3 of the five states you mentioned are Purple.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 29.svg.png

Then there's this:

Did you know this, for example?



https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/florida/parkland

And what does this even mean?



What is meant by "control," first of all?

Are we only concentrating on school shootings here? If so I've noticed that in this Santa Fe case and off the top of my head, Sandy Hook the kid got the gun from his parent. In Parkland the guy was able to get guns when he shouldn't have been able to under existing law.

It would seem to me that things like education on gun saftety or push to enforce existing regulations would be the sort of thing the NRA could help with. One might want to consider the basic maxim of 'baby and bathwater.'

   

But I'm getting the feeling the push to highlight Red state/Blue state goes beyond school shooting. The real point seems to be that all these damn Republican NRA members are keeping us from our righteous gun-grabbing.

If so you wouldn't just be looking at mass school shootings to make your point. You'd be looking at mass shootings in general and if you look at the most headline grabbing of those they seem to be scattered pretty haphazardly between red and blue states (including New York BTW).

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest- ... -rampages/

In fact if you want to grab Americans' guns based on your Red State/Blue State findings wouldn't you want to look at areas of massive amounts of shootings, not just mass shootings?

That would take you to places like Chicago, Detroit, St louis or Baltimore - all Democrat run areas.

   

When national literacy devolves to Internet memes, a simple 3 letter word like "yet" can be used to promote the actual reason as an argument against itself.
A nation born in gun violence. Grown and settled by gun violence. Who's defining moment held itself together with guns and violence and to this day is entertained by guns and violence, wonders why kids consider guns to shoot anyone who pisses them off?

   

   

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