Anti-drug efforts beefed up along U.S. Canada border
DerbyX @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:20 am
Curtman Curtman:
Well that's great for you two.. He has no reasons why what he fears would actually happen. I've provided him with clear evidence that it won't. He calls me an idiot, and you agree.
Anyone want to have a real conversation?
So what do you think of the Blue Bombers chances this year?
Choban @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:24 am
Ok, so lets take your regulation into thought.
Pot being the lesser of these evils (and I am for leagalization).
When it comes to cocaine (and it's varieties), Crystal Meth, Heroin, LSD ect.
1. In order to regulate who what when where and why you need to first have a company that would produce it under government regulations, I can't see anyone stepping up to do this other than the people that already produce it, and if we think for a red hot minute we will realize that they will still break the law to do it weather it's through tax evasion, illegal doses, ect.
2. Enforcement of the regulation to ensure that it's not sold to whom? Kids, people with a criminal record, People with various health problems that these drugs would make worse. and Who gets to say yes to one person and no to another. Pot itself is easy as they just put an age limit on it, this approach won't work with other drugs due to many factors, but do we want violent offenders legally taking drugs that increase their tendencies, or better yet untreated mental patients. (while I know this already happens on street level, if it's leagal and regulated then it will be easily available and probably cheaper)
3. People on othe medication that would react with these substances and either kill them or put them in a state where they are dangerous to everyone.
While I see your point (to an extent), do you honestly believe that regulation will reduce drug use in this country? I just don't see it. Furthermore organized crime may fall off temporarily, but they will find either a) an outside market for their drug sales (take Columbia and Cocaine for example) or b) another source of income be it weapons, tobacco, cheaper than legal hard drugs, stolen prescription drugs, gambeling, prostitution, loan sharking and any number of criminal activities that were in existence prior to our new laws. (Most of these were and still are Mafia controlled even in Canada)
Choban @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:31 am
I guess in closing Curt, I for one would like to see
1) decriminalization of Marijuana
2) A broader focus on rehabilitation for those that commit crimes due to or relating to drug addiction (rather than just tossing them in jail)
and
3)Increased border efforts to stem the flow of narcotics and stiffer sentencing for dealers and traffickers.
Truthfully (and sadly)we will NEVER eliminate the problem, we just have to deal with it as best we can.
Curtman @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:59 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
So what do you think of the Blue Bombers chances this year?
I hope they fold, and we abandon plans of building a stupid stadium for them.
Curtman @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:09 pm
Choban Choban:
Ok, so lets take your regulation into thought.
Pot being the lesser of these evils (and I am for leagalization).
When it comes to cocaine (and it's varieties), Crystal Meth, Heroin, LSD ect.
1. In order to regulate who what when where and why you need to first have a company that would produce it under government regulations, I can't see anyone stepping up to do this other than the people that already produce it, and if we think for a red hot minute we will realize that they will still break the law to do it weather it's through tax evasion, illegal doses, ect.
Pot being the lesser of these evils (and I am for leagalization).
When it comes to cocaine (and it's varieties), Crystal Meth, Heroin, LSD ect.
1. In order to regulate who what when where and why you need to first have a company that would produce it under government regulations, I can't see anyone stepping up to do this other than the people that already produce it, and if we think for a red hot minute we will realize that they will still break the law to do it weather it's through tax evasion, illegal doses, ect.
The Canadian government had no problems finding someone to grow pot for them.
We have methamphetamines all over the place.
As for heroin.. Well I think you already know what is happening. Or you should be if you are against handing it out on the streetcorner. I am not in favour of this.
Choban Choban:
2. Enforcement of the regulation to ensure that it's not sold to whom? Kids, people with a criminal record, People with various health problems that these drugs would make worse. and Who gets to say yes to one person and no to another. Pot itself is easy as they just put an age limit on it, this approach won't work with other drugs due to many factors, but do we want violent offenders legally taking drugs that increase their tendencies, or better yet untreated mental patients. (while I know this already happens on street level, if it's leagal and regulated then it will be easily available and probably cheaper)
Again we have a model already in the tobacco industry. It doesn't have to be that lax though, we do it with alcohol as well. This happens with prescription medicine. Dangerous chemicals. There is plenty of this going on already.
Choban Choban:
3. People on othe medication that would react with these substances and either kill them or put them in a state where they are dangerous to everyone.
Better ban prescription medicine as well it's far too dangerous. And peanuts. You know how many people die from peanuts?
$1:
While I see your point (to an extent), do you honestly believe that regulation will reduce drug use in this country? I just don't see it. Furthermore organized crime may fall off temporarily, but they will find either a) an outside market for their drug sales (take Columbia and Cocaine for example) or b) another source of income be it weapons, tobacco, cheaper than legal hard drugs, stolen prescription drugs, gambeling, prostitution, loan sharking and any number of criminal activities that were in existence prior to our new laws. (Most of these were and still are Mafia controlled even in Canada)
Yes I do. Moreso I believe that prohibition will increase it. Unconditionally unless we become Iran. Even then, we have no reliable data. They claim to have no drug addicts, and no homosexuals.
coaster_dot @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
Yeah I experienced this on my last trip. Basically ANYONE that wasn't commuting for work got there car searched. Although, coming back into the states was very easy ![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?"){kind=icon}
bootlegga @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:53 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
So what do you think of the Blue Bombers chances this year?
Not good, they have no offence this year...
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:59 pm
oh for fuck sakes. I'm so sick and tired of the US government threatening our borders because of pot. Maybe they should do something about the flow of handguns coming north. Don't know anyone that was ever killed by a bag of weed, but more and more people are being shot in Canada with handguns from the US.
Call their border bluff and let them go elsewhere for oil, natural gas, hydro and all the rest of our natural resources. And tell them the tap will remain dry until the flow of guns is halted.
KEEP MARK EMERY FREE!!!!!
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:36 am
Grow your own pot, don't give money to organized crime and there won't be any guns.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:01 am
oh please, it's not just organized crime that uses handguns up here. And it's not just organized crime bringing them up here either. Besides, despite decriminalization for simple possession, the penalties here are still quite stiff concerning cultivation. 3 female plants can get you 14 years in the pokey. Pot was almost legalized here but pressure from the US government killed that idea, considering they were already none too happy about the lighter stand we took on it.
But my rant might be prejudiced anyway because I don't believe there is ANY reason ANYONE needs a handgun (police and military excepted of course). They are designed for one purpose and one purpose only, to be a CONCEALABLE weapon. I have no problem with long guns but handguns are a scourge on society.
Legalize it and a lot of problems associated with it will go away and let the government control it like alcohol and tobacco(altho we'll still be giving money to organized crime, albeit a "higher class" of it lol)