Canada may already be carbon neutral, so why are we keeping
newz @ Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:34 pm
I've been saying for years that Canada's huge forests absorb more CO2 than Canadains produce but mostly it falls on deaf ears.
Lemmy Lemmy:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
The thing looks damn ridiculous!
Not compared to the ridiculous stupidity posted on this thread.
I think a lot of environmentalists see things like forests, bogs, etc. as a carbon sink available to the world, not just the specific country involved. In reality, that is kind of true. The trees and the peat don't give a fuck where the Carbon Dioxide comes from.
That said, anything we are immediately responsible for planting should count. Basically, if we leave a forest alone, it doesn't count to our Carbon sequestration. If we cut it down for oil extraction, lumber harvest, etc, and replant it, it does count to our national carbon sequestration.
So, let's cut down more trees and replant them!
uwish @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:49 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Lemmy Lemmy:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
The thing looks damn ridiculous!
Not compared to the ridiculous stupidity posted on this thread.

you mean facts, that rates are going to up by triple digits? sure lets call that stupidity.
uwish uwish:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Lemmy Lemmy:
Not compared to the ridiculous stupidity posted on this thread.

you mean facts, that rates are going to up by triple digits? sure lets call that stupidity.
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Rates of what?
Yes, facts. Like the Norther Forests inhale millions of tons of CO2 in the spring. And then
Exhale it in the fall. A little fact the National Post opinion piece disguised as an article neglects. Or the fact that old growth forests are shrinking due to logging, so that carbon sink is getting smaller.
Or the fact that for the first time in recorded measurements, the atmosphere did not drop below 400pm of CO2 concentration when the northern forests woke up in the spring.
Silly facts like that.
uwish @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:05 am
don't come asking for a hand out when your utility bills more than doubles, Canada's contribution to any emissions is less than 1.8%. For that, you can pay my share of the largest tax grab in Canadian history. The entire nation of Canada could cease to exist and have zero impact on global emissions.
Co2 isn't linked to global warming, since we aren't warming. I shale not attempt to educate the ignorant yet again.
Lemmy @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:08 am
uwish uwish:
don't come asking for a hand out when your utility bills more than doubles, Canada's contribution to any emissions is less than 1.8%. For that, you can pay my share of the largest tax grab in Canadian history. The entire nation of Canada could cease to exist and have zero impact on global emissions.
Co2 isn't linked to global warming, since we aren't warming. I shale not attempt to educate the ignorant yet again.
I'll pay your share if you just shut up about it. Cheapskate. Do you tip waitresses?
uwish @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:11 am
why should I ? free speech, is it because I have pointed out some errors in your new climate religion? Sorry it's complete and utter BS. Unlike most of you armchair QB's I have plotted the data myself. It's complete crap, you can yimmer and yammer all you want but decisions are being made based on false conclusions. You all line up to pay your tax that will do nothing for the 'climate' NOTHING.
But let me guess...your one of the many that income will fall well below the cutoff to trigger rebates, so you really won't be paying any of this new tax at all anyway. So you really don't give to shits about it.
Go back to having your regular uninformed opinion on another threat and leave your religion out of this one.
Lemmy @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:15 am
uwish uwish:
why should I ? free speech, is it because I have pointed out some errors in your new climate religion? Sorry it's complete and utter BS. Unlike most of you armchair QB's I have plotted the data myself. It's complete crap, you can yimmer and yammer all you want but decisions are being made based on false conclusions. You all line up to pay your tax that will do nothing for the 'climate' NOTHING.
But let me guess...your one of the many that income will fall well below the cutoff to trigger rebates, so you really won't be paying any of this new tax at all anyway. So you really don't give to shits about it.
Go back to having your regular uninformed opinion on another threat and leave your religion out of this one.
"Blah, blah, blah." Yeah, you ran the numbers yourself.

You don't know what you're talking about. Which would be fine if hadn't claimed to be a physicist, which you clearly are not. Liar.
andyt @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:43 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
![huh? [huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif)
Rates of what?
Yes, facts. Like the Norther Forests inhale millions of tons of CO2 in the spring. And then
Exhale it in the fall. A little fact the National Post opinion piece disguised as an article neglects. Or the fact that old growth forests are shrinking due to logging, so that carbon sink is getting smaller.
Or the fact that for the first time in recorded measurements, the atmosphere did not drop below 400pm of CO2 concentration when the northern forests woke up in the spring.
Silly facts like that.
I think the argument that Canada is a net carbon sink isn't so easily dismissed. If the whole world was like Canada, there would be no problem with AGW. But there is, and we have to play along to get along. If we insist that we can keep on spewing merrily, then other countries will too. And since the effect would be global (as in global warming), it would bite us in the ass as surely as if we were like China.
uwish uwish:
Co2 isn't linked to global warming, since we aren't warming. I shale not attempt to educate the ignorant yet again.
I've suggested this to others in the past - if you can show that such a link doesn't exist, publish your paper in a peer reviewed journal, You will get all the research funding you'll ever need to help you further that assertion.
Until then, the volumes of published research contrary to your opinion stands. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
uwish @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:52 am
I don't need to there are many published papers that state that. A simple search can find more than you can count.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCcLggcPcj0
andyt andyt:
I think the argument that Canada is a net carbon sink isn't so easily dismissed.
Given the lack of evidence an opinion column gives, I think it can be.
andyt andyt:
If the whole world was like Canada, there would be no problem with AGW. But there is, and we have to play along to get along. If we insist that we can keep on spewing merrily, then other countries will too.
If the whole world were like Canada, we'd settle our differences on a frozen pond, like men.

Then go for beer afterwards.
andyt andyt:
And since the effect would be global (as in global warming), it would bite us in the ass as surely as if we were like China.
That's the key isn't it! Like all the people who refuse to change their ways, but somehow bitch at those of us who are that we don't do enough.
And people still think of China as a land of smog and dirt. What they don't realize is how quickly China turned that around. Their peak pollution output IIRC was in 2011. Since then, coal miners are an endangered species and they build one wind turbine per hour. Not to mention their solar industry . . .
uwish uwish:
That's an opinion piece, not a peer reviewed paper.
uwish @ Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:00 am
i didn't post it as peer review piece, I posted it because it sums up everything that the data supports. Do your own search for peer reviewed papers, something that many climate religious types on this forum are not capable of performing themselves.