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You're a disgrace to humanity.

   

   

Does Canada have a hate crime law. Would the pushing of someone and calling them a :stupid Paki" fit the way the law was written?

Now exactly why should a university build a building to give the Muslims a place to worship in. Who will fund the project? Could not a wealthy Muslim donor front the money. If this is such an issue and they feel so bad why do they not transfer to another UNI. or if they are from another country not just go to a UNI. there?

I'm sorry but I do not see why a group from outside the country can come in and dictate what and where things will happen at some place like a university. They supposedly came here to learn did they not think for a moment that they would have to do so in a different cultural setting one that might not follow the dictates of their religion and or social back ground. Why should things, such as the meals, swimming arrangements ect. change just for a small, statistically, portion of the university population. This same group will go back to their own country and use what they learned, hopefully to better their own country. They are most likely not going to apply the skills learned in Canada to benefit Canada.Thus why change for a select group who will not even be staying to reap the benefits of this change for a long period of time.

   

I did a little looking, and I don't think so. I think that you need to be inciting others to violence for it to be a hate crime. There are other requirements, but that's what this incident was missing. I think that should an assault conviction be reached, though, it could be an aggravating factor in sentencing. If you ask me, though, it should be a hate crime



They don't need to build a building, I was just saying that the U of A has one for Christians, so it's in no way unreasonable for them to provide space for muslims to pray in peace and security. Repurpose a classroom in a central building. If a building is being built, perhaps consider designing in an approriate space, perhaps even pointing at Mecca if possible.

All my university experience is at the U of A, but I can say that they went through extensive retrofits and modifications to accomodate the diabled. Elevators on certain stairwells. Pushbutton operated doors. Installation of ramps. That was probably very expensive, for, statistically, probably an even smaller population than Muslims. The U of A is also building constantly, so I can't imagine a small alteration to the design of a new building would be very difficult.

All the food vendors at the U of A were private business. Let the market drive what's offered in that respect. If there's a large demand for Halal food, I'm sure it will get served. Otherwise, they can bring their own from home. They don't need to buy food on campus. The do need to pray on campus. In the same vein, they don't need to swim, but, again, they do need to pray.

It is more than reasonable for Universities to be expected to offer adequate prayer space.

   

And in case you and all the rest like you (hwacker, gfpb, bart, etc) hadn't known, some Muslims are born in Canada. Some aren't immigrants. Some have just as much claim to being Canadian as you. And they wear Hijabs if they're female. They pray facing mecca at set times every day. They have just as much right to freedom as you.

   

Well said Hurley.

In adding to this discussion, if our prisons can accomodate varying religious institutions then one might think that is the least universities could do for those who aren't incarserated and are furthering their education. They are at least on par with convicts and probably better in most circumstances.

   

Yet this artical focused in on the Muslims from outside of the country thus our, or at least my, response is in the same like. So lets stick to the topic at hand or has your stance taken such a blow that you must change the topic's fundamental points, Muslims from other countries and how they want changes, in an attempt to try and gain some sort of upper ground?

   

I know many immigrants who have given up what most would consider affluent life styles to come to Canada and live modestly in search of a better life. When someone is given citizenship in this country, or when someone is allowed in by immigration for that matter, it is done so under the premise that these people will be given a fair opportunity and will be treated equally. In a best-case scenario, these people will enter the country, further their education, find employment, and contribute to our society by paying taxes and providing a service of some kind.

It is a well known fact that certain religions require special needs. We as Canadians know this when we let them in. So long as their dress, praying and diet is not interfering with the lives of others, I don't see how one could not sympathize with those whom are treated scornfully for their dress while in school. After all, isn't that exactly what we want from them ?

Or, are we letting them in while knowing their customs, just to ridicule them ?

   

Yet they are there of their own free will and can leave any time they like, where inmates can not. Thus, and I know this is a stretch for many of you to grasp, one can LEAVE and go to a more accommodating place their own country for instance. What exactly is a University, if it is not a place to go and learn a specific religion, in this case Islam, why should a University supply a very small minority a place to pray. Does a University have to supply the students a place of worship in Canada? (legit question) Or is it just the wants of a small proportion of people that you want catered to? If so then be ready to bend over for every small group there is. Can not the students pray in their dorm rooms at the appropriate time? The artical said that the Muslim students are afraid to pray in the stairwells and other places for fear of harassment. Yet gave no instance where they said harassment had happened in such a situation. I wonder if these same Muslims, according to the the artical, who are from another country show any concern for other religions and their practitioners when they are at home? What type of accommodation's are provided for Christians attending a University in their home country? They, I would suspect, are demanding things that they would never grant to others if the situation was reversed.

   

Well, yeah, that's the part I like.

   

Is it a christian University?

Why? Universities are supposed to be secular unless otherwise stated/funded. That place for prayer was probably funded by christians. If muslims fund it, then there is not a problem. But if they are xpecting the government to foot the bill, then they are crazy.
That's completely different. One is a physical disability, one is mental. (Note that was against religion, not muslims.) Seriously, disability accommodating things have to be put in almost ever building now.

So? Ok, I am starting the CKA religion. I have to be able to do something obscure once an hour. Will I be accommodated? I doubt it, and I wouldn't expect to be. Canada is a secular nation, and we aren't going to change that for specific people, of ANY religion.

Again, why? Universities get fund from the Government. So now they are asking the Government to pay for a place to prayer? If it is so effing important, then pay for it yourself. Hell I am going to a Catholic/Christian university, but it is partly privately funded.

   

No offence, I'm not attacking, I'm just asking for a lil clarity here...

If they are affluent in their native country, then what "better life" are they seeking here?

Wouldn't being affluent, denote some form of "better life" in their native land?

   

I suppose it would depend on your reason for leaving. If you were a rich Christian in Turkey, where the populations is 90% Muslim, then maybe not. If you were fleeing India's caste system, then maybe not. If you were a single mother in a Muslim country with two daughters, then maybe not. If you were a business person in Hong Kong before it rejoined China, you also had a good reason to leave. A Tamil in Sri Lanka ...,etc.

In a lot of cases, people come here to give their children opportunities which money could not purchase in their own countries and in a lot of cases the nest egg they were holding in their impoverished country, does not equate to much here.

   

Cool, in hindsight, I shoulda figured that out on my own.

Thanx.

   

How about Dyonisians and followers of Aphrodite. These are good wholesome old religions that are well documented. Who could possibly have anything against tax free beer, prostitutes, and orgies? I bet it would be the most popular religious union on campus.

   

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