Clark Era Over As BC Greens Chose To Support NDP
Thanos @ Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Thanos Thanos:
No. Fildebrandt is a MAGA who would be so obnoxious that everyone (including Saskatchewan) would shut their borders on us. I'm advocating tit-for-tat reprisals against BC depending on what BC chooses to do, not calling for some ham-fisted war that gets everyone else pissed off at us too.
^ This.
If you want to see Albertans treated like Jews in 1930s Germany, select Fildebrat as leader of the UCP. He's one notch below Trump on the insane/idiotic scale.
Notley needs to get the jump on this before the PC/WRA, whatever the fuck they are, take advantage first. Site C is BC's achille's heel. Tell the new BC government that any fuckery with Trans Mountain will result in Alberta tearing up whatever Site C contracts we're involved in and that the transmission lines will not cross our border. If they want to sell their electrical then they can string a line of towers back west across the Rockies and for another 900 km all the way down to the Washington border. If that turns Site C into a colossal white elephant that hammers the BC taxpayers then too bad for them. It's not our problem, not when they're becoming increasingly belligerent towards us.
Shouldn't have to be this way among Canadians, but the gig was up when Clark started blaming us for everything, interfering in the Gateway pipeline, and then mocking us in her last throne speech. If we get treated like that from a so-called BC conservative then what's coming from the BC left will be even worse for us. Can't afford to be nice or diplomatic to them any longer, not when it clearly means nothing to them at all.
Freakinoldguy @ Mon May 29, 2017 10:40 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Very cool. I'm excited to see what ideas this coalition has and what they can (or can't) do. Wonder how long the coalition will last.
Given that one is a bully and the other a social engineering kingmaker it should get real interesting very quickly. Then when you throw in the fact that the two leaders hate each others guts, I give it 12 months give or take a few before they have a falling out, triggering another election.
herbie @ Mon May 29, 2017 11:00 pm
No Notley needs to STFU and see what comes down the line.
And hate to point it out but Alberta ain't in a position to make threats.
Site C isn't for Alberta, it's for cheap power for Christies LNG pipedream that Joe Homeowner will have to pay Ontario rates for cuz they lose money.
Public_Domain @ Tue May 30, 2017 1:18 am
martin14 @ Tue May 30, 2017 1:24 am
Public_Domain Public_Domain:
i'm just siked for that sweet sweet wage increase boi
And all those 'environmental solidarity' taxes that will drain it all away.
And more.
bootlegga @ Tue May 30, 2017 5:23 am
Thanos Thanos:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Thanos Thanos:
It's too bad Alberta is too committed to getting along with everyone all the time, for diplomatic reasons as well as fiscal ones, because the effort is entirely pointless. What we should be doing is telling BC to start building their own pipelines for gas down to the US border because, as retaliation for Kinder Morgan and Gateway, we're permanently shutting off all the pipelines from NW BC where they cross the provincial boundary. The Dippers here don't have that kind of toughness and if the righties in the PC or WRA were still in charge they wouldn't do it either because it would affect the companies bottom lines too much.
As per a million other slaps to face, from BC to Keystone to Energy East, this is just another message that Alberta is well and truly fucked unless we smarten up and do as much refining and processing inside of our own province instead of perpetually remaining a bulk shipper of crude product. There's not much point in being adult about it in Canada when it comes to provincial disputes. Not when the ones who want to work it out just end up looking like suckers and saps due to the colossal ignorance and intransigence of the ones determined to pick a fight. At this stage we might as well just cut a deal with the feds to double our rail-lines to the US because that's the only way shipping capacity will ever increase.
As per a million other slaps to face, from BC to Keystone to Energy East, this is just another message that Alberta is well and truly fucked unless we smarten up and do as much refining and processing inside of our own province instead of perpetually remaining a bulk shipper of crude product. There's not much point in being adult about it in Canada when it comes to provincial disputes. Not when the ones who want to work it out just end up looking like suckers and saps due to the colossal ignorance and intransigence of the ones determined to pick a fight. At this stage we might as well just cut a deal with the feds to double our rail-lines to the US because that's the only way shipping capacity will ever increase.
The outright hatred for Albertans and our oi is getting to the point where we're second class citizens and as much as I love Canada, I'm starting to see the sense in saying fuck you all and joining either a separatist or US merger movement.
No, because that ties our fate to oil too much. If some of these tech stories are true, especially the ones about electric cars going to be cheaper than gas ones in a decade, then we'd be leaving with all our eggs in one basket of a declining industry. Lose fuel sales over the next fifty years and half the reason for an oil industry basically disappears in front of you. If we did that and got caught in a major decline then we'd be begging to rejoin Canada a decade later, and it would be with all the balls in the court of people and political parties that already essentially despise us.
Short-term sucks, medium-term sucks, long-term sucks. It's going to be nothing but agriculture, forestry, and tourism around here in a half-century and there's nothing on this earth that's going to stop it as the technology ball gets rolling faster and faster with every passing year. And Albertans are too much like other Canadians anyway. It's not like we've done a better job than any other province of opening our minds to the changes we all knew were coming and preparing ourselves for it. Lack of foresight is a major part of the Canadian character, and it applies equally from coast to fucking coast.
Oh, it won't happen, because I'm far too patriotic, but I've come to understand where the Western separatists were coming from in the '80s. In all honesty, the best bet for Alberta outside of Canada is joining the US, but even as much as I like visiting the States, I don't want to live there.
This is where Lougheed's vision was incredible - 40 years ago he saw that Alberta wouldn't be able to rely on oil, and created the Heritage Trust Fund. If Klein & Co. hadn't raided it for every cent of interest, it would be worth three or four times what it is now and we could use it as a cushion during times of low oil prices. It's sad that we had a made-in-Alberta that Alaska, Norway and dozens of other locations copied, but we were too short-sighted to follow through on ourselves.
bootlegga @ Tue May 30, 2017 5:28 am
Thanos Thanos:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Thanos Thanos:
No. Fildebrandt is a MAGA who would be so obnoxious that everyone (including Saskatchewan) would shut their borders on us. I'm advocating tit-for-tat reprisals against BC depending on what BC chooses to do, not calling for some ham-fisted war that gets everyone else pissed off at us too.
^ This.
If you want to see Albertans treated like Jews in 1930s Germany, select Fildebrat as leader of the UCP. He's one notch below Trump on the insane/idiotic scale.
Notley needs to get the jump on this before the PC/WRA, whatever the fuck they are, take advantage first. Site C is BC's achille's heel. Tell the new BC government that any fuckery with Trans Mountain will result in Alberta tearing up whatever Site C contracts we're involved in and that the transmission lines will not cross our border. If they want to sell their electrical then they can string a line of towers back west across the Rockies and for another 900 km all the way down to the Washington border. If that turns Site C into a colossal white elephant that hammers the BC taxpayers then too bad for them. It's not our problem, not when they're becoming increasingly belligerent towards us.
Shouldn't have to be this way among Canadians, but the gig was up when Clark started blaming us for everything, interfering in the Gateway pipeline, and then mocking us in her last throne speech. If we get treated like that from a so-called BC conservative then what's coming from the BC left will be even worse for us. Can't afford to be nice or diplomatic to them any longer, not when it clearly means nothing to them at all.
It's like when Christie threatened to tax Alberta coal imports, I wish Notley would have said something like, 'Well, maybe Alberta will consider be charging a tax for every single rail shipment crossing east into Alberta."
And the NDP already sort of threatened Site C power:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a ... -1.3476655
DrCaleb @ Tue May 30, 2017 6:57 am
Thanos Thanos:
No, because that ties our fate to oil too much. If some of these tech stories are true, especially the ones about electric cars going to be cheaper than gas ones in a decade, then we'd be leaving with all our eggs in one basket of a declining industry. Lose fuel sales over the next fifty years and half the reason for an oil industry basically disappears in front of you. If we did that and got caught in a major decline then we'd be begging to rejoin Canada a decade later, and it would be with all the balls in the court of people and political parties that already essentially despise us.
Oil is about much more than vehicles. Modern society would not be where it is without the materials and chemicals we get from oil.
Electric cars might shift some of the energy burden away from fossil fuels, but it will be far from the end of our reliance on oil.
Thanos @ Tue May 30, 2017 7:03 am
I know but lost that fuel customer base to electric cars and they won't ever be coming back. Especially not urban dwellers who have zero need for any kind of gas engine within the boundaries of a city. The only real light out of this for O&G will be for natural gas because the need for relatively clean power generation will massively increase when the number of electrical vehicles on the roads reaches a certain saturation point.
Wait. I forgot. We're Albertans and Canadians first and surely somewhere someone's got it written into a contract that we're obligated to sell the gas first to the US at a sixty percent discount before we can use it for ourselves at a proper market-determined price. Don't be surprised if we find something like this out one day. We are that damn short-sighted and subject all sorts of legal chicanery that we currently know nothing at all about. 
DrCaleb @ Tue May 30, 2017 7:33 am
Thanos Thanos:
I know but lost that fuel customer base to electric cars and they won't ever be coming back. Especially not urban dwellers who have zero need for any kind of gas engine within the boundaries of a city. The only real light out of this for O&G will be for natural gas because the need for relatively clean power generation will massively increase when the number of electrical vehicles on the roads reaches a certain saturation point.
It's not a bad thing, to lament the loss of the Internal Combustion engine. And I don't say that ironically, given my hobby racing cars.
Most people just need something that moves their ass from one point to another. In Europe, that's mass transit. They have the advantage of the shorter distances and cities that were built with the horse and buggy as the dominant technology, which makes cars problematic in places.
We built cities around personal transport, so that's what we need to move around with. It doesn't matter if the energy comes from oil or the sun, so long as it gets us where we are going.
Thanos Thanos:
Wait. I forgot. We're Albertans and Canadians first and surely somewhere someone's got it written into a contract that we're obligated to sell the gas first to the US at a sixty percent discount before we can use it for ourselves at a proper market-determined price. Don't be surprised if we find something like this out one day. We are that damn short-sighted and subject all sorts of legal chicanery that we currently know nothing at all about.
You know how things work bud. Once the company, whether is US, Chinese, Malaysian, French, Dutch, English or any other country based; takes the oil out of the ground and pays their royalties - it's theirs! They can ship it where they want to.
herbie @ Tue May 30, 2017 10:34 am
$1:
It's like when Christie threatened to tax Alberta coal imports, I wish Notley would have said something like, 'Well, maybe Alberta will consider be charging a tax for every single rail shipment crossing east into Alberta."
She actually didn't mean to do any such thing, she meant to threaten the USA. But her extremely limited knee-jerk Conservative mindset was unable to think things through before she opened her mouth.
You can fool people in Canada over trade policy just as well as they can in the USA. Shit she even won a North Coast riding reselling LNG dreams to people who can't see market reality.
BartSimpson @ Tue May 30, 2017 11:15 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Very cool. I'm excited to see what ideas this coalition has and what they can (or can't) do. Wonder how long the coalition will last.
Until they run out of other people's money.
Strutz @ Tue May 30, 2017 5:11 pm
$1:
Christy Clark has announced she intends to try to stay on as British Columbia's premier, despite the province's NDP and Green Party leaders making a pact that would give the New Democrats the support of a majority of the MLAs in the legislature.
But she also admitted she was likely to lose a confidence vote — and if so, would resign as premier.
But she also admitted she was likely to lose a confidence vote — and if so, would resign as premier.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/christy-clark-announcement-may-30-1.4138233
martin14 @ Tue May 30, 2017 8:15 pm
Strutz Strutz:
$1:
Christy Clark has announced she intends to try to stay on as British Columbia's premier, despite the province's NDP and Green Party leaders making a pact that would give the New Democrats the support of a majority of the MLAs in the legislature.
But she also admitted she was likely to lose a confidence vote — and if so, would resign as premier.
But she also admitted she was likely to lose a confidence vote — and if so, would resign as premier.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/christy-clark-announcement-may-30-1.4138233
Put the three in a cage match.
Christy will kick their asses !
BRAH @ Tue May 30, 2017 8:45 pm
Thanos Thanos:
No. Fildebrandt is a MAGA who would be so obnoxious that everyone (including Saskatchewan) would shut their borders on us. I'm advocating tit-for-tat reprisals against BC depending on what BC chooses to do, not calling for some ham-fisted war that gets everyone else pissed off at us too.
I have more faith Filderbrandt putting Notley in her place than Kenney.