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fifeboy @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:12 pm

Proculation Proculation:

Yes because that particular censorship, "heckler's veto", was ruled against free speech in the US.

I don't think we have that court ruling here in Canada.

So...because there is no court ruling in Canada against "heckler's veto" we have no free speech. Not buying it. She didn't speak because she wanted to gather more crap for a new book on how awful Canadians, and in particular French Canadians, are. I mean, these people could have been "perfected" by becoming Americans a whole lot of years ago and didn't. Shame on Canadians. :roll:

   



PublicAnimalNo9 @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:16 pm

Proculation Proculation:
$1:
I call that the right to assemble and protest.
Let me ask you Proc. Let's say for sake of argument, yer having a little get together and I'm invited. But when I show up, I continually insult you, your friends, your home, your race, creed or colour, are you going to let me stay and keep speaking my mind in YOUR home? I'd also bet your friends would be standing up for you as well.
Well, Coulter has a history of shitting on Canada and Canadians(without having the tiniest clue what she's talking about) and enough people decided they didn't want her shitting in OUR house.


That's non-comparable. She was invited to make a public speech in a public university.
Like I said, Voltaire said: "I disapprove of what you say but I will fight to death for your right to say it".
Voltaire didn't have uber-right Republitards coming into his country and telling him how to run it either :wink: :lol:
And here's the rub. The university WASN'T the enitity that invited her to speak in the first place. And despite whether some place is public or private, free speech is free speech correct? Or do you yourself place limits on what's acceptable? Either people can say whatever they want, ANYWHERE they want at any time they want, or you have to put limitations in place. You also forget that while you say it was a public speech in a public place, I maintain in fact, it was private, simply by the fact that ONLY if you paid, could you go and listen to her.
Look, after many years, Canada has finally made gay people feel like real citizens. Sure, there are still pockets of resistence to them but overall, at least the places I've lived, no one really gives a shit anymore. As a country, we've matured quite a bit in that department. The LAST thing we need is to import shit like Mann* Coulter to spew her bile. We have enough of those domestically as it is.
*Not a typo

   



Proculation @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:33 pm

fifeboy fifeboy:
Proculation Proculation:

Yes because that particular censorship, "heckler's veto", was ruled against free speech in the US.

I don't think we have that court ruling here in Canada.

So...because there is no court ruling in Canada against "heckler's veto" we have no free speech. Not buying it. She didn't speak because she wanted to gather more crap for a new book on how awful Canadians, and in particular French Canadians, are. I mean, these people could have been "perfected" by becoming Americans a whole lot of years ago and didn't. Shame on Canadians. :roll:


I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the "heckler's veto" is being used more and more often on campuses against unpopular speakers. That's a kind of loop-hole used by interest groups to censor.
We have free speech but we must be sure to close any loop-hole that may be used to prevent it.

   



Proculation @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:45 pm

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Proculation Proculation:
$1:
I call that the right to assemble and protest.
Let me ask you Proc. Let's say for sake of argument, yer having a little get together and I'm invited. But when I show up, I continually insult you, your friends, your home, your race, creed or colour, are you going to let me stay and keep speaking my mind in YOUR home? I'd also bet your friends would be standing up for you as well.
Well, Coulter has a history of shitting on Canada and Canadians(without having the tiniest clue what she's talking about) and enough people decided they didn't want her shitting in OUR house.


That's non-comparable. She was invited to make a public speech in a public university.
Like I said, Voltaire said: "I disapprove of what you say but I will fight to death for your right to say it".
Voltaire didn't have uber-right Republitards coming into his country and telling him how to run it either :wink: :lol:
And here's the rub. The university WASN'T the enitity that invited her to speak in the first place. And despite whether some place is public or private, free speech is free speech correct? Or do you yourself place limits on what's acceptable? Either people can say whatever they want, ANYWHERE they want at any time they want, or you have to put limitations in place. You also forget that while you say it was a public speech in a public place, I maintain in fact, it was private, simply by the fact that ONLY if you paid, could you go and listen to her.
Look, after many years, Canada has finally made gay people feel like real citizens. Sure, there are still pockets of resistence to them but overall, at least the places I've lived, no one really gives a shit anymore. As a country, we've matured quite a bit in that department. The LAST thing we need is to import shit like Mann* Coulter to spew her bile. We have enough of those domestically as it is.
*Not a typo


Voltaire WAS the one saying "inappropriate" things and being censored in his time by the Church and the Kingdom. He's a pioneer of liberalism.

Courts and laws place the limits. They are quite clear actually: lies, defamation, libel, etc are not protected by free speech. We also added hate speech to that. However, nobody got ever convicted under that law since it was instated. That's why that was quite strange for the provost of the university to "warn" Coulter about that law.

   



Mustang1 @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:54 pm

She spoke at UWO and U of Calgary - there clearly is freedom of speech, despite the shrills of the Orwellian Chicken Littles

   



Gunnair @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:41 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
She spoke at UWO and U of Calgary - there clearly is freedom of speech, despite the shrills of the Orwellian Chicken Littles


She did.

I would hope all the free speech advocates think we're such a better country for having that bitch spill her bile.

   



Public_Domain @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:45 pm

:|

   



Gunnair @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:55 pm

I'm not entirely sure what this free speech brings to the table.

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I would agree with those that postulate that the majority look upon fucktards like this for what they are - chair moistening shitiots with no end of insecurity issues. But for every thousand or ten thousand that ignore this bullshit is one thought challanged fuckwit with a gun and an agenda, or a bat and a head full of despicable ignorance that just might think these ass clowns are right on target.

Freedom of speech requires responsibility. Canada enforces that responsibility differently from the US. That's why Phelps was stopped at the border and why the majority of Canadians, and the majority on the forum, applauded it.

Learn how to deal with it already.

   



fifeboy @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:12 pm

Proculation Proculation:

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the "heckler's veto" is being used more and more often on campuses against unpopular speakers. That's a kind of loop-hole used by interest groups to censor.
We have free speech but we must be sure to close any loop-hole that may be used to prevent it.
The "hecklers" were outside the lecture hall where she was going to speak. Not inside. If she had gone ahead with her speech, only paying customers would have been at her talk. If they had made it impossible for her to speak, drowning out her words, than you may have a point. They were outside and if they could have been heard inside it would have not been loud enough to disrupt her garbage. I repeat, this was only a stunt to sell more books.

EDITA:

Sorry PublicAnimalNo9, I wrote this before I saw your post. [B-o]

   



Proculation @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:17 pm

fifeboy fifeboy:
Proculation Proculation:

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the "heckler's veto" is being used more and more often on campuses against unpopular speakers. That's a kind of loop-hole used by interest groups to censor.
We have free speech but we must be sure to close any loop-hole that may be used to prevent it.
The "hecklers" were outside the lecture hall where she was going to speak. Not inside. If she had gone ahead with her speech, only paying customers would have been at her talk. If they had made it impossible for her to speak, drowning out her words, than you may have a point. They were outside and if they could have been heard inside it would have not been loud enough to disrupt her garbage. I repeat, this was only a stunt to sell more books.

EDITA:

Sorry PublicAnimalNo9, I wrote this before I saw your post. [B-o]


That's not what happened. People blocked the doors, rushed the police, mobed the place, started the fire alarm. You can protest but peacifully.

That's clearly a "heckler's veto" to censor and they succeeded. That is what is sad.

   



fifeboy @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:23 pm

Proculation Proculation:

That's not what happened. People blocked the doors, rushed the police, mobed the place, started the fire alarm. You can protest but peacifully.

That's clearly a "heckler's veto" to censor and they succeeded. That is what is sad.

They still didn't stop her. She stopped herself. If they were so violent they actually "set off the fire alarm" why didn't the police do something....oh, perhaps they were in on it too.

   



Proculation @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:32 pm

They tried but were overwhelm. That was the point. They evacuated the place and after that the event was canceled for security reasons.

I don't understand how it's so difficult to understand.

You CAN think it's a good thing that have done because you think there are people that should be stop from talking. It's your opinion. My opinion is the contrary.

When I was at the University of Montreal we had some conferences from very extreme leftwing people talking about revolution, revolt and "bringing down the system". They were never prevented to speak and i've been to one. I was totally against the opinion and so were a lot of people but we were able to ask question and give our opinion at the mike. We didn't "rush the place", started a fire alarm or anything to stop those people from telling those things.

   



Public_Domain @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:39 pm

:|

   



Lemmy @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:44 pm

Proculation Proculation:
That's clearly a "heckler's veto" to censor and they succeeded. That is what is sad.


I'm as big a free-speech advocate as you'll find, but the "hecker's veto" isn't censorship; it's an ESSENTIAL part of free-speech. It's the freedom to call-out fucktards who exercise idiotic speech. You can't advocate free speech and at the same time criticize folks for responding to it. That's why we want free-speech: to allow douchebags to be identified for their doucebagary and be called on it. That's the chance you take when you say outrageous things. Nonesense, like Ann Coulter's, being shut down by the people, instead of the police waving hate-speech laws, is exactly how this behaviour should be dealt with.

   



Proculation @ Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:51 pm

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Gunnair Gunnair:
I'm not entirely sure what this free speech brings to the table.

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I would agree with those that postulate that the majority look upon fucktards like this for what they are - chair moistening shitiots with no end of insecurity issues. But for every thousand or ten thousand that ignore this bullshit is one thought challanged fuckwit with a gun and an agenda, or a bat and a head full of despicable ignorance that just might think these ass clowns are right on target.

Freedom of speech requires responsibility. Canada enforces that responsibility differently from the US. That's why Phelps was stopped at the border and why the majority of Canadians, and the majority on the forum, applauded it.

Learn how to deal with it already.

I personally view Free Speech to be cute and I understand the martyrdom ideas behind letting complete assholes speak unregulated to masses of people, swaying their opinion with manipulative and conniving bullshit. But in the end all it does is harm and all we get to say is "Oh hey, we let hateful assholes in our society become national heroes", or perhaps "Hey world, this asshole is the voice of our nation. Woo, free speech. Suck on that China! Bet you're totally jealous now."

Anyhow, I think we need to regulate assholes.

Tag 'em and send them into the forest so we can control their numbers.


Well I understand where you stand because you are a self-styled "communist" but I have a question for you: who will decide who the "assholes" that cannot speak are ?

   



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