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Dallaire says he never meant to equate Canada with terrorist

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commanderkai @ Fri May 16, 2008 8:45 pm

Robair Robair:
All kinds of armchair quarterbacks on here.

Dallaire's opinions on child soldiers should carry some weight I would think.


Child soldiers, sure. Calling us terrorists because we don't give a flying fuck about one "child" soldier who killed a US medic in Afghanistan...no not really.

   



ridenrain @ Fri May 16, 2008 8:56 pm

The Kadr family are hard core muslim terrorists and they don't belong in Canada.

"Khadr, an Egyptian-born Canadian citizen, is considered by intelligence officials to be the highest-ranking Canadian within Osama bin Laden's inner circle. He studied computer science at the University of Ottawa and worked for an Ottawa-based Islamic charity, Human Concern International, which Chretien's government generously subsidized.

Khadr is suspected of diverting charity funds to bin Laden and other jihadists, and of serving as a chief terrorist recruiter. Known as al-Kanadi (Arabic for "the Canadian"), Khadr previously had been in custody in Pakistan for the 1995 bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad that killed 17 people.

Chretien personally intervened on behalf of Khadr during a 1996 state visit to Pakistan, aggressively seeking guarantees from Benazir Bhutto, then the country's prime minister, that Khadr would receive due process and fair treatment."

The solder that Kader killed could just as easy have been a Canadian medic instead, a brother, sister, son or mother of anyone here. I like to believe that this charitable opinion would be different if that were the case.. but I doubt it for some of you.

   



PluggyRug @ Fri May 16, 2008 8:58 pm

Robair Robair:
All kinds of armchair quarterbacks on here.

Dallaire's opinions on child soldiers should carry some weight I would think.



No matter how you spin it, Dallaire's just a lightweight.

And I just scored a touchdown.

   



ridenrain @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:00 pm

Robair Robair:
All kinds of armchair quarterbacks on here.

Dallaire's opinions on child soldiers should carry some weight I would think.



Why?

He's a peacetime career soldier who was in charge of possibly the biggest and most embarassing failure in the history of Canadian "peacekeeping" Because he didn't say anything bad about the government of the day, they rewarded him with a senate seat.

   



DerbyX @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:01 pm

ridenrain ridenrain:
Robair Robair:
All kinds of armchair quarterbacks on here.

Dallaire's opinions on child soldiers should carry some weight I would think.



Why?

He's a peacetime career soldier who was in charge of possibly the biggest and most embarassing failure in the history of Canadian "peacekeeping" Because he didn't say anything bad about the government of the day, they rewarded him with a senate seat.


What was his failure? Not putting a gun to the UNs collective head?

Did you expect him to defeat the warring factions on his own?

   



ShepherdsDog @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:05 pm

The UN is its own worst enemy when it comes to solving conflicts, especially ones where peace has to be imposed.

   



PluggyRug @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:09 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Robair Robair:
All kinds of armchair quarterbacks on here.

Dallaire's opinions on child soldiers should carry some weight I would think.



Why?

He's a peacetime career soldier who was in charge of possibly the biggest and most embarassing failure in the history of Canadian "peacekeeping" Because he didn't say anything bad about the government of the day, they rewarded him with a senate seat.


What was his failure? Not putting a gun to the UNs collective head?

Did you expect him to defeat the warring factions on his own?



No...but he played it safe, and for that failure was appointed to the senate.

Leadership qualities seem to be lacking.

   



ridenrain @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:11 pm

I could jump on a soapbox and chide you for reading comprehension problems and suggest some remedial lessons but I'm a mature and reasonable person. You should take that as an example of how to rise above petty things and stay focused on the point.

You need to read that again because I didn't say the failure was his.
The failure of the mission must rest on the head of the UN who dithered about when all indications told them to do something. They ignored what they were told, had no support, nor did they have any plan.

This is the norm. for UN missions and that's why I don't want to see Canadians troops wasted by these fools anymore.

   



DerbyX @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:21 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:


No...but he played it safe, and for that failure was appointed to the senate.

Leadership qualities seem to be lacking.


Played it safe?

1) What could he do?

2) What support could he expect?

3) Bush was elected president. 'nuff said there.

4) Why is it that so many military backgrounders demand auto respect for serving yet when somebody with a lifetime of service says something they disagree with then respect goes out the window?

Dalliare has been lambasted yet he put a face on a far worse atrocity then Iraq/the sta'/etc.

   



PluggyRug @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:32 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:


No...but he played it safe, and for that failure was appointed to the senate.

Leadership qualities seem to be lacking.


Played it safe?

1) What could he do?

2) What support could he expect?

3) Bush was elected president. 'nuff said there.

4) Why is it that so many military backgrounders demand auto respect for serving yet when somebody with a lifetime of service says something they disagree with then respect goes out the window?

Dalliare has been lambasted yet he put a face on a far worse atrocity then Iraq/the sta'/etc.


Knowing his support was nonexistent he needeed to make a command decision, on which he failed. Armchair my opinion maybe, are not officers expected to make command decisions without support.

   



DerbyX @ Fri May 16, 2008 9:39 pm

You tell me. Are officers expected to make command descions? I think yes but I'm a civie.

What descion could he have made and what power could he have projected?

Seems to me that alot of cons are looking to scapegoat and erase any possible pro-military influence in the Libs.

You tell me. What was he capable of that he did not do?

   



ridenrain @ Fri May 16, 2008 10:42 pm

He did the safest thing, which is fitting for a peace time officer who got fed a steady diet of "peacekeeping" bullshit. He did nothing and some 80,000 dies.
If he did something, he and all his force may have been wiped out, but maybe some of the 80,000 might have been saved.
Did he go there as an observer, or as a soldier?

   



Bodah @ Sat May 17, 2008 7:28 am

I dont give a flying fuck about this family or their grenade chucking kid, infact I hate them.
Label them as an enemy of the state and kick them the fuck out.

   



Jovan @ Sat May 17, 2008 10:30 pm

Dallaire is shuckin' and jivin'. He was asked a direct question as to whether he really meant that Canada was on a moral level with al Qaeda and he answered, 'Yes'. Now that Canadians have heard of his blatant stupidity, he's backing off and trying to claim that's not what he meant.

   



Scape @ Sun May 18, 2008 12:40 am

Son of al Qaeda

Citizen of convenience? So what?

$1:
There is no legal basis for stripping someone of citizenship because of his or her views. Citizenship is a fundamental right. It is not something that can be capriciously denied on the basis of one person deciding another person's views are unacceptable.


I didn't get an answer as to why they should never have been granted citizenship. I would still like to know why. I know their views are repugnant but as far as I know, views are not criminal.

   



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