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JaredMilne @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:42 pm
A few thoughts:
I'm not a devoted monarchist. As a Canadian patriot, I'd prefer that our head of state resided here full time. That said, I can salute the Queen for the grace and class she showed in the role for over seven decades.
I'm also not convinced this will be the end of the monarchy, for a lot of reasons:
-The Constitution requires any change in the monarchy's status to get unanimous consent from the provinces, from Ontario down to PEI. Opening the Constitution risks opening a massive can of worms, and with all the problems we're dealing with right now, is it really a good time to spend so much time and effort trying to get uanimous consent between Ottawa and the provinces?
-Justin Trudeau's political capital isn't what it used to be, and Pierre Poilievre counts a lot of monarchists among the Conservative base. Neither of them has anything to gain and a lot to lose by trying to abolish the monarchy.
-Some Indigenous people view the Treaties as being made with the British Crown, not the Canadian government of the day. They would *not* take kindly to any effort at what they'd probably consider Treaty-breaking. That'd be yet another political headache no politician would want to deal with right now.
-Finally, WTF do you replace the monarchy with? An elected Governor General or a President? Congratulations, you've just created a recipe for deadlock when the head of state and head of government are both seperately elected and they can both claim a mandate for whatever they want to do. Who takes priority if they disagree? Our parliamentary system of government depends on the Governor General acting on the Prime Minister's advice (e.g. signing bills that the Prime Minister's gotten approved by Parliament). The Governor General and the Lieutenant Governors generally can't act unilaterally on their own.
Scape @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:29 pm
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
-Finally, WTF do you replace the monarchy with? An elected Governor General or a President? Congratulations, you've just created a recipe for deadlock when the head of state and head of government are both seperately elected and they can both claim a mandate for whatever they want to do. Who takes priority if they disagree? Our parliamentary system of government depends on the Governor General acting on the Prime Minister's advice (e.g. signing bills that the Prime Minister's gotten approved by Parliament). The Governor General and the Lieutenant Governors generally can't act unilaterally on their own.
^^ this is why it will be hard to change. As the saying goes if it works don't fix it. Warts and all this system has endured since our countries inception changing it for something else just for the sake a change is not onus enough to change up fundamentals.
Scape @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:43 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zQ_aNz_R8
That was funny.
rickc @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:04 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Sad to see her go, RIP Your Highness.
Hopefully Charlie abdicates in favour of William - if he doesn't, I'm done with the monarchy.
Hopefully Charlie abdicates in favour of William - if he doesn't, I'm done with the monarchy.
Kings and Queens are addressed as: Your Majesty. Princes and Princesses are addressed as: Your Highness.
You might be done with the monarchy, but it is not done with you......not by a long shot.
herbie @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:37 pm
Like I've said before:
Elect the GG. Recognize the GG as Head of State. Signs off Bills, attends international parties, waves from the convertible attends to Commonwealth functions. No additional powers.
All party committee selects the candidates - no party endorsements.
One simple amendment - "the Crown" now refers to the gov't of Canada thru the GG
Things need not be changed, definitely not to some gridlocked Republic position. The very term should be avoided at all cost.
herbie @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:37 pm
Oh and if they want Chuck on the coins they better make them oval to fit in his big ears
Strutz @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:06 pm
$1:
From the Queen's death to her funeral, here's the sequence of royal events to come
Queen Elizabeth's funeral, expected 11 days from now, will be the culmination of an official mourning period that began with her death Thursday at Balmoral.
But planning to honour the 96-year-old's life began decades ago, in the strictest of secrecy, under its own code name — London Bridge.
As little as possible will be left to chance over the next week and a half, leading up to a funeral at Westminster Abbey in London, followed by the committal and burial at St. George's Chapel in Windsor Castle, west of London.
As much as the next several days are about remembering the Queen, they are also about the beginning of the next reign, as Prince Charles became King Charles III immediately upon his mother's death and assumes the role he has been preparing for throughout his life.
In the royal plan, the days of mourning are identified as D (day of death) plus a number. However, D has been designated as Friday instead.
While other events may change, here's what's expected each day over the next week and a half.
Queen Elizabeth's funeral, expected 11 days from now, will be the culmination of an official mourning period that began with her death Thursday at Balmoral.
But planning to honour the 96-year-old's life began decades ago, in the strictest of secrecy, under its own code name — London Bridge.
As little as possible will be left to chance over the next week and a half, leading up to a funeral at Westminster Abbey in London, followed by the committal and burial at St. George's Chapel in Windsor Castle, west of London.
As much as the next several days are about remembering the Queen, they are also about the beginning of the next reign, as Prince Charles became King Charles III immediately upon his mother's death and assumes the role he has been preparing for throughout his life.
In the royal plan, the days of mourning are identified as D (day of death) plus a number. However, D has been designated as Friday instead.
While other events may change, here's what's expected each day over the next week and a half.
Each day has been carefully planned out and details are at the link.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/queen-fun ... -1.6576646
raydan @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:48 pm
JaredMilne @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:14 pm
Scape Scape:
To be honest, I felt the same way about Princess Diana's death back in 1997. I never understood why people treated her like the second coming of Christ or why they went into hysterics at her death, as if she were their sister or mother or something like that.
Frankly, I found it all more than a little insufferable.
Scape @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:18 pm
I find the bad takes funny enough, it's when the takes are from non-commonwealth countries it get even funnier. CNN looking down their noses of common brits who are just indifferent to the royals is just delicious to watch. Watching them a)try to play it up and B)feign their own malaise when you know they don't care at all and it is just for show really makes a farce of their 'news' reporting.
This is what happens when you don't care about your job of news reporting and see everything as a tabloid for ratings. Great to see them made fun of for their shallow 'journalism'. It's all stagecraft like the reporters at the flag lowering in queens park.
herbie @ Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:54 pm
Some people cling to remnants of history and tra-dish-un. Grew up entirely under the Queen's reign and it never sunk in that it was just ceremony.
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:12 am
herbie herbie:
Some people cling to remnants of history and tra-dish-un. Grew up entirely under the Queen's reign and it never sunk in that it was just ceremony.
It's not just ceremony. The Monarch plays an important part in our laws, state, and system of justice. Just writing a law to replace the appointed GG with an elected GG would never work, because of how deeply embedded the Head of State is woven in our country and the process for appointing the GG. And As Jared pointed out, an elected GG just presents more problems.
And as she said at her coronation:
$1:
“It’s inevitable that I should seem a rather remote figure to many of you, a successor to the kings and queens of history.
“I cannot lead you into battle. I do not give you laws or administer justice. But I can do something else. I can give you my heart and my devotion to these old islands and to all the peoples of our brotherhood of nations.”
“I cannot lead you into battle. I do not give you laws or administer justice. But I can do something else. I can give you my heart and my devotion to these old islands and to all the peoples of our brotherhood of nations.”
$1:
“The ceremonies you have seen today are ancient, and some of their origins are veiled in the mists of the past. But their spirit and their meaning shine through the ages never, perhaps, more brightly than now.
“I have in sincerity pledged myself to your service, as so many of you are pledged to mine. Throughout all my life and with all my heart I shall strive to be worthy of your trust.”
“I have in sincerity pledged myself to your service, as so many of you are pledged to mine. Throughout all my life and with all my heart I shall strive to be worthy of your trust.”
At her Platinum Jubilee:
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“When I was 21, I pledged my life to the service of our people and I asked for God’s help to make good that vow. Although that vow was made in my salad days, when I was green in judgement, I do not regret nor retract one word of it.”
$1:
“As we mark this anniversary, it gives me pleasure to renew to you the pledge I gave in 1947 that my life will always be devoted to your service.”
“And so as I look forward to continuing to serve you with all my heart, I hope this Jubilee will bring together families and friends, neighbours and communities – after some difficult times for so many of us – in order to enjoy the celebrations and to reflect on the positive developments in our day-to-day lives that have so happily coincided with my reign.”
“And so as I look forward to continuing to serve you with all my heart, I hope this Jubilee will bring together families and friends, neighbours and communities – after some difficult times for so many of us – in order to enjoy the celebrations and to reflect on the positive developments in our day-to-day lives that have so happily coincided with my reign.”
Her job wasn't ceremonial. It was to be an example for all of us on how to solve problems with civility and intellect. It was how to move forward together, respecting the differences between us and using them to enrich us all. That she was our representative Head of State was just one of her duties.
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:34 am
As an example here in Alberta - processes are already underway to rename our court system to 'Court of King's Bench', and the official source of government publications to "The Kings' Printer'.
Tricks @ Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:19 am
Holy shit people really hate her apparently. People attributing every bad thing britain has done (both before her reign and after) to her.
Do... do people actually think the monarchy makes political decisions anymore?
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:43 am
Tricks Tricks:
Do... do people actually think the monarchy makes political decisions anymore?
Yes. Think of the US rebellion, "Boston Tea Party". They still believe they were rebelling against the King of England, even though the Monarchy had been written out of the Government back with the Magna Carta 500 years earlier.