Harper government proposes tougher language rules for immigr
Newsbot @ Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:09 pm
Title: Harper government proposes tougher language rules for immigrants
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2011-10-15 22:29:30
Canadian
martin14 @ Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:09 pm
$1:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," he said. "There's no burning need for these changes."
Simply put, the system IS broke, so lots needs to be done.
This would be only a small step.
Thanos @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:06 am
Speak English and show tits or GTFO! 
Heycronie @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:18 am
Good. Now when I want to grab a burger or get a coffee at Timmies, I get the order right.
jeff744 @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:48 am
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"If you've ever looked at the citizenship guide, you have to have a pretty good knowledge of English or French to get through and understand it," said Berger. "The citizenship test has proven the test of time."
Berger said immigration officials' claim that the current test is not adequate for assessing listening and speaking skills is irrelevant, as applicants have the option to listen to the citizenship guide on the ministry's website.
"That would be a measure of your listening abilities," he said.
David Matas, a Winnipeg-based immigration lawyer, said the new rules make application processing easier for the federal government, while making the application more cumbersome for immigrants.
Berger said immigration officials' claim that the current test is not adequate for assessing listening and speaking skills is irrelevant, as applicants have the option to listen to the citizenship guide on the ministry's website.
"That would be a measure of your listening abilities," he said.
David Matas, a Winnipeg-based immigration lawyer, said the new rules make application processing easier for the federal government, while making the application more cumbersome for immigrants.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... /index.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... stions.asp
That looks pretty freaking hard to me and English is my first language.
Looked a bit further and the current test fails about 20% of those that take it (they made it easier as the first revision had a 30% failure rate), the ones that fail then go through a citizenship judge who determines if they know enough (and obviously they would have to speak English/french to answer) and 20% fail that as well.
How many immigrants do you know that speak English well versus the number that can't?
ShepherdsDog @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:59 am
What I can't understand is how so many folks here have degrees from western universities, when they have the grammatical skills of a retarded six year old. I'm serious. Their grammar sucks to the point that only gramps has a smile on his face.
martin14 @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:07 am
jeff744 jeff744:
$1:
"That would be a measure of your listening abilities," he said.
David Matas, a Winnipeg-based immigration lawyer, said the new rules make application processing easier for the federal government, while making the application more cumbersome for immigrants.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... /index.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... stions.asp
Memorizing answers has nothing to do with your ability to speak English or French.
CDN_PATRIOT @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:20 am
I applaud this move. Canada has two official languages. Speak one, or GTFO. Blank stares and odd hand gestures don't work well when trying to integrate properly.
-J.
GreenTiger @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:51 am
Bravo, we need that in the States. ![[BB]](./images/smilies/beers.gif "Beers")
Johnny_H @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:13 am
Thanos Thanos:
Speak English or French and show tits or GTFO!
EyeBrock @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:18 am
jeff744 jeff744:
$1:
"If you've ever looked at the citizenship guide, you have to have a pretty good knowledge of English or French to get through and understand it," said Berger. "The citizenship test has proven the test of time."
Berger said immigration officials' claim that the current test is not adequate for assessing listening and speaking skills is irrelevant, as applicants have the option to listen to the citizenship guide on the ministry's website.
"That would be a measure of your listening abilities," he said.
David Matas, a Winnipeg-based immigration lawyer, said the new rules make application processing easier for the federal government, while making the application more cumbersome for immigrants.
Berger said immigration officials' claim that the current test is not adequate for assessing listening and speaking skills is irrelevant, as applicants have the option to listen to the citizenship guide on the ministry's website.
"That would be a measure of your listening abilities," he said.
David Matas, a Winnipeg-based immigration lawyer, said the new rules make application processing easier for the federal government, while making the application more cumbersome for immigrants.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... /index.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... stions.asp
That looks pretty freaking hard to me and English is my first language.
Looked a bit further and the current test fails about 20% of those that take it (they made it easier as the first revision had a 30% failure rate), the ones that fail then go through a citizenship judge who determines if they know enough (and obviously they would have to speak English/french to answer) and 20% fail that as well.
How many immigrants do you know that speak English well versus the number that can't?
The personal chat with an immigration judge is a thing of the past. I got sworn in with about 800 others 10 years ago in a mass ceremony. No chat.
The 'test' was a joke and took me about 4 minutes to complete. It was fun watching the rest who were being 'tested' openly cheat and get help from friends and family without any body enforcing the rules.
1Peg @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:57 am
Just stop all immigration! Unless they come from the United States or other western countries!
EyeBrock @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:59 am
I think there are plenty of well qualified immigrants around the world. I'm sure that we could find those that speak English and/or French to a decent level.
We just need to be better at screening. Personally I don't think we should just look at the US/UK etc. We should look globally but we also really need to up the bar.
If somebody really wants to come to Canada they can prove it by learning English or French.
Not being able to communicate properly is a poor start to life in Canada yet we have turned a blind-eye to this very basic qualification for decades.
Hyack @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:09 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
If somebody really wants to come to Canada they can prove it by learning English or French.
Or they can pay their money and come in a rusty old tramp steamer and claim refugee status when they land in Victoria. Canada will then drop all barriers and welcome them with open arms.
EyeBrock @ Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:14 am
Agreed Hyack.
I think Canada needs to put Canada first. We should be letting people in who will add to the country, not take from it. We shouldn't be changing to 'accommodate' newcomers, they should be doing the changing.