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And people still die without being murdered. Good point. Just doesn't mean anything.




This kind of attitude will be great in the next attack ad. It will really help Steve with his image of fluffy sweaters and kitty cats. Go for it!

   

Why would it? Its not like he is going to keep it up if it prevents him from digging us out of the red Harper drove us into.



During the last bad recession it was in the 90s and they certainly did do something about EI although that wasn't the focus. The focus back then was the spirally debt and deficit and the fact that Canada was heavily criticized as a welfare state. The Liberals handled that quite nicely.



You mean now that they have a completely different leader with new ideas of his own and the situation is completely different.

Of course all throughout Harpers time in opposition he howled about any notion of a deficit and swore he wouldn't run one then once he gets into power he runs the largest one ever and pretty much ensures we will run a deficit for the next 5+ years. All Harper did was bribe us with our own tax dollars (borrowed tax dollars at that) in order to buy votes. Much better strategy.

   

At the same time as they solved the deficit problem, and fixed EI, they produced an impressive infrastructure program. Now-a-days we call it a "stimulus" program. Let's not forget that.

   

LMAOOOOO They "solved" the deficit problem by cutting back federal transfer payments to the provinces. I'd hardly call that balancing the budget. It's just passing the buck. The "Stimulus" program was funded, in part, by the funding cut off from the provinces. Fucking brilliant strategy.

   

Need to fix the quotes there dude. It looks like PublicAnimalNo9 is saying it not me.

   

Darn tags.. Sorry.

   

The provinces were more than willing to cooperate. Manitoba balanced its budget during the same period. A balanced Manitoban budget still means that 40-50% of revenue comes from Alberta somehow though.

There's an interesting point as well.. I see a parallel between Manitoba's budget and what you were saying in the other thread:



How could we solve this problem? Manitoba has a huge potential to generate hydroelectric power for Alberta. We currently sell our excess power to the U.S. The Ontario government is working with us to build dams and long distance power transmission capability Eastward. Why are Alberta and Saskatchewan building nuclear plants when they could buy energy from us instead of just handing the cash over?

   

Actually it does, ya see, the only person responsible for being in debt is THE PERSON THAT GOT THEMSELVES IN DEBT!
But I'm not surprised to see a partisan liberal make excuses for a lack of personal responsibility.
Let me ask you something Curtman, using your idiotic example. If I was working a nice job, making 60K a year or more, racked up my personal debt to more than what I make in year, got laid off and can't support my family, who's fault is that? Someone else's? Those evil Conservatives? Who should be responsible for supporting me? Everyone else?
If I get struck by lightning and die, who's fault is that? Nobody's.
Can ya SEE the difference????
The only thing that didn't mean anything was your insipid quote.

   

If you were making 60K a year, you would have RRSP's, RESP's, a savings account, a house of your own, daycare for your kids. Yes, it's a nice life.

If you were a single mother making 20K, and you got laid off with no E.I, you would be worried about how your children would eat, and how to pay rent.

   

The same rule applies Curtman. RRSPs and RESPs don't mean shit if you're in debt way over your head.
My brother is a perfect example. He was the regional accountant for one of teh 10 largest companies in Canada. He made killer money, had benefits, a nice condo, 2 vehicles. He was also over $250,000 in debt because he and his wife had to have all the cool toys and the best of everything. When the company restructured and realized they didn't need a regional accountant anymore, he was out of a job.
I'm relating this story because your nice life comment means nothing. When people are stupid and irresponsible, I shouldn't have to pay for that and neither should you.
That being said and back to the original point of 320 hours being good enough.
The amount your single mother example would recieve is peanuts and would certainly not cover the cost shelter or much food. Besides, for single parents there are other and better paying alternatives if you get laid off after a short period of time. I'm not saying do away with EI, that would be insane. What's crazier is giving it out after a measley 320 hours. That's the way it used to be and the abuse of it was appalling to say the least.

   

and then you said....



To clarify, it's OK for the Liberals to shift their method of thinking due to a change in circumstance but it's NOT ok for Harper to do the same?

That's quite hypocritical.

However, you do have it right with your Liberal comment.

Priorities do change with the times. What may have been a Liberal priority last year, it's this year. That's just common sense. It's disingenuous for you to say that because Harper said he wouldn't run a deficit 5 years ago that we shouldn't take into account the current circumstances.

I wish some of that common sense would be used towards Stephen Harper when his government had to deal with this recession. Times changed and he had to change with them.

   

Ohhh but according to the Liberals, the fault for the world wide recession can be laid squarely at Harper's feet.

*Added* We're doing better than the majority of industrialized nations right now and the Liberals STILL have a problem. Their only problem is, they aren't in power

   

Same old Liberal plan.

   

Well your brother is not a perfect example. My mother raised my brother and I by herself, after my father walked out on us, she battled cancer three times during our childhood. We never had lots of cool toys. We were very very lucky to keep our house. She works in the education system and makes about 30K. There was no RESP, not because she didn't want to, and spent it on booze and smokes. I paid for university myself, so did my brother. There was no savings account to get through tough times. I don't think you have any idea what real life is like for a lot of people.

   

So a natural illness is the same as being totally irresponsible??? Where's yer logic man?
My brother was a perfect example of some people's stupidity and the expectation that everyone else should look after them. Did your mom expect everyone else to look after her and you?
And trust me, my life in my earlier years was pretty fuckin real. I won't get into the details as they are rather personal and I'm not into airing my family's dirty laundry on a public forum.
Again, I'm not against EI, I'm against the 320 qualifying time FOR it.

   

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