In Quebec, only 3 in 10 support the mission
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
WWI and WWII were obligations, plain and simple. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth and really had no option in those 2 wars....but you know that alrady...right smart boy?.
Uh-oh…here’s where Gerry’s fine mail-in diploma comes out firing on all cylinders. Canada was obligated to go to war in WWII? Really Gerry? Are you sure, little guy? I’ll spot you two posts to correct that piece of ahistorical swill before I mop the thread with your ignorance.
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“Quebec cut from France and Europe along time ago. French Canadians are NOT frenchmen(France), they are French Canadian, Quebecers, Quebecois. They do not feel that a war that does not directly impact their homeland (Canada) as being their responsibility.”
Brilliant, Gerry, thanks for the Grade 3 history lesson. English Canadians went to war – that was initially voluntary service in both – in both conflicts because they believed that other nations (France and Belgium in the Great War and Europe in WWII) needed our aid. We believed that Imperial Germany and Hitlerian Nazism were global threats that must be stopped. We sacrificed ourselves to help others be free. We sent our brave men to Europe and other theaters to fight a war that centered on our most cherished beliefs: peace and freedom. The French balked and historically they’ve looked like self-serving, isolationist, Cretans. My point is that Canada has a historical past that centers on helping others (whether it’s 1914, 1939, Korea, the Kuwaitis, the Balkans or Afghanistan), even we’re not directly threatened ourselves. That is a past worth remembering and celebrating.
Nice try, Gerry.
Tricks @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:20 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
WWI and WWII were obligations, plain and simple. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth and really had no option in those 2 wars....but you know that alrady...right smart boy?
Um World War 2 had no obligations.
ziggy @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:22 pm
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Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
WWI and WWII were obligations, plain and simple. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth and really had no option in those 2 wars....but you know that alrady...right smart boy?
Um World War 2 had no obligations.
Ummmm....yes...
$1:
Prime Minister William Lyon McKenzie King said it all in the House of Commons:
For months, indeed for years, the shadow of impending conflict in Europe has been ever present. Through these troubled years, no stone has been left unturned, no road unexplored in the patient search for peace. Unhappily for the world, Herr Hitler and the nazi regime in Germany have persisted in their attempt to extend their control over other peoples and countries, and to pursue their aggressive design in wanton disregard of all treaty obligations, and peaceful methods of adjusting international disputes. They have had to resort increasingly to agencies of deception, terrorism and violence. It is this reliance upon force, this lust for conquest, this determination to dominate throughout the world, which is the real cause of the war that today threatens the freedom of mankind.
This morning, the King (of England) speaking to his peoples at home and across the seas, appealed to all to make their own, the cause of freedom, which Britain again has taken up. Canada has already answered that call. On Friday the government, speaking on behalf of the Canadian people, announced that in the event of the United Kingdom becoming engaged in war in the effort to resist aggression, they would, as soon as parliament meets, seek its authority for effective co-operation by Canada at the side of Britain.
In what manner and to what extent Canada may most effectively be able to co-operate in the common cause is, as I have stated, something which parliament itself will have to decide. All I need to add to the moment is that Canada, as a free nation of the British Commonwealth, is bringing her co-operation voluntarily. Our effort will be voluntary.
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
Why is Quebec allowed to dictate where our Military is deployed? I'm sick of that Province and it's minority seperatists deciding visa vie polls what the future holds for this country. Toronto and it's socialist pigs and Quebec and it's seperatist pigs should not be allowed to dictate what our reigning government decides. Am I alone in being fed up with the pandering to these minority groups? I DON'T CARE what they want. Zip nadda, Toronto has dipped so far left they ride the subway in the fetal positon waving Rainbow ribbons.
Scrappy Scrappy:
Why is Quebec allowed to dictate where our Military is deployed? I'm sick of that Province and it's minority seperatists deciding visa vie polls what the future holds for this country. Toronto and it's socialist pigs and Quebec and it's seperatist pigs should not be allowed to dictate what our reigning government decides. Am I alone in being fed up with the pandering to these minority groups? I DON'T CARE what they want. Zip nadda, Toronto has dipped so far left they ride the subway in the fetal positon waving Rainbow ribbons.
and how do you figure they do? If they did, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan right now.
If the majority of Canadians feel we shouldn't be there, then the government has the obligation to pull our troops. That's a democracy.
RUEZ @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:45 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Scrappy Scrappy:
Why is Quebec allowed to dictate where our Military is deployed? I'm sick of that Province and it's minority seperatists deciding visa vie polls what the future holds for this country. Toronto and it's socialist pigs and Quebec and it's seperatist pigs should not be allowed to dictate what our reigning government decides. Am I alone in being fed up with the pandering to these minority groups? I DON'T CARE what they want. Zip nadda, Toronto has dipped so far left they ride the subway in the fetal positon waving Rainbow ribbons.
and how do you figure they do? If they did, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan right now.
If the majority of Canadians feel we shouldn't be there, then the government has the obligation to pull our troops. That's a democracy.
Ya just like they didn't give us the GST because the majority were against it.
Tricks @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:46 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
WWI and WWII were obligations, plain and simple. Canada is part of the British Commonwealth and really had no option in those 2 wars....but you know that alrady...right smart boy?
Um World War 2 had no obligations.
Ummmm....yes...
$1:
Prime Minister William Lyon McKenzie King said it all in the House of Commons:
For months, indeed for years, the shadow of impending conflict in Europe has been ever present. Through these troubled years, no stone has been left unturned, no road unexplored in the patient search for peace. Unhappily for the world, Herr Hitler and the nazi regime in Germany have persisted in their attempt to extend their control over other peoples and countries, and to pursue their aggressive design in wanton disregard of all treaty obligations, and peaceful methods of adjusting international disputes. They have had to resort increasingly to agencies of deception, terrorism and violence. It is this reliance upon force, this lust for conquest, this determination to dominate throughout the world, which is the real cause of the war that today threatens the freedom of mankind.
This morning, the King (of England) speaking to his peoples at home and across the seas, appealed to all to make their own, the cause of freedom, which Britain again has taken up. Canada has already answered that call. On Friday the government, speaking on behalf of the Canadian people, announced that in the event of the United Kingdom becoming engaged in war in the effort to resist aggression, they would, as soon as parliament meets, seek its authority for effective co-operation by Canada at the side of Britain.
In what manner and to what extent Canada may most effectively be able to co-operate in the common cause is, as I have stated, something which parliament itself will have to decide. All I need to add to the moment is that Canada, as a free nation of the British Commonwealth, is bringing her co-operation voluntarily. Our effort will be voluntary.
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
Actually, we chose to go because of our ties and because our countries were friends, but no, we did not have to go. The British Commons also could not tell us to go, they would have no control because we are a constitutional monarchy and it would have had to go through our parliament. I also believe (and if I'm wrong Mustang will correct me) we were also protected from this by the Statute of westminster.
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
Tricks @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:50 pm
Dayseed Dayseed:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
Thank you for confirming that Dayseed.
Tricks Tricks:
Dayseed Dayseed:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
Thank you for confirming that Dayseed.
Was there any treaty that would have compelled Canada to help out England?
Dayseed Dayseed:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
I know what the statute states....... but I still stand by my statement. Laws are passed, laws can be changed.
Tricks @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:59 pm
stratos stratos:
Tricks Tricks:
Dayseed Dayseed:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
Thank you for confirming that Dayseed.
Was there any treaty that would have compelled Canada to help out England?
Not that I am familiar with. I believe we were in the same situation as the U.S. We had not obligation to help, other then it was right
Tricks @ Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:59 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Dayseed Dayseed:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Just the fact that the Prime Minister found it nesasary to stress that this decission was made by Canada "voluntarily" speaks volumes. IF Canada had not voiced our support for Britain and for the Kings call to arms, we would have found the British Commons and House of Lords making that decission for us, like they basically did in WWI.
We would have found the House of Lords making that decision for us? Statute of Westminster, 1931. Check it out. Then apologize.
I know what the statute states....... but I still stand by my statement. Laws are passed, laws can be changed.
Laws within this country can not be changed unless it goes through parliament. And if parliament voted against going to war, do you think they would let them change it?
RUEZ RUEZ:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Scrappy Scrappy:
Why is Quebec allowed to dictate where our Military is deployed? I'm sick of that Province and it's minority seperatists deciding visa vie polls what the future holds for this country. Toronto and it's socialist pigs and Quebec and it's seperatist pigs should not be allowed to dictate what our reigning government decides. Am I alone in being fed up with the pandering to these minority groups? I DON'T CARE what they want. Zip nadda, Toronto has dipped so far left they ride the subway in the fetal positon waving Rainbow ribbons.
and how do you figure they do? If they did, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan right now.
If the majority of Canadians feel we shouldn't be there, then the government has the obligation to pull our troops. That's a democracy.
Ya just like they didn't give us the GST because the majority were against it.
Quebec and Toronto are responsible for the GST? and here I thought it was the illustrious conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulrooney that introduced that particular tax.