Leaked file suggests 4 Canadians killed by friendly fire
Guy_Fawkes @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:34 am
jeff744 jeff744:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
In the end it really doesnt matter, it is horrible but, finding out years after the fact that they may have been killed by Americans wont change a thing. Documents are kept secret for a reason.
Most of the time that reason is to stop the public from becoming outraged over the fact it is so hard for people to keep track of where the troops are. They cover it up to prevent an outrage, when this kind of leak occurs people are now more pissed than ever that we were lied to about how some of our soldiers died and would have never been told.
There is no need for secrecy on something like this, there was no secret operation that would have been exposed.
The problem I see is that most people glaze over and miss the may in the statement and become outraged and make statements like...
Dragom Dragom:
Arg! Every time! Why do we even bother going to war with them anyway.
or
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Yup, looks like the Americans killed more of our soldiers.
EyeBrock @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:30 am
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Yup, looks like the Americans killed more of our soldiers.
Ah the rush to judge. At least your consistent. Consistently wrong.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1653971/
BartSimpson @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:52 am
Dragom Dragom:
Arg! Every time! Why do we even bother going to war with them anyway.
Because when it's your war you'll want us to back you up.
RUEZ @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:54 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
Yup, looks like the Americans killed more of our soldiers.
Ah the rush to judge. At least your consistent. Consistently wrong.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1653971/
Can't expect much from anti-Americans. They chomp at the bit just to get tidbits like this.
EyeBrock @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:57 am
I like the fact that as usual, the Canadian media wants to portray our military and the yanks in the worst possible light without checking the facts first.
G20 policing.
F35 purchase.
Now the Afghan War.
We are poorly served by our media.
EyeBrock @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:00 am
Maybe not all our media. But the NP is just a right-wing rag. It does check it's facts a bit better than the Star or the Globe or CTV or CBC.
"A military report released by WikiLeaks claiming four Canadians died as a result of "friendly fire" was dismissed as a mistake yesterday.
Corporal Jody Mitic put it more succinctly. "I was there and our boys were not killed by friendly fire. Ask anyone from Charlie Company. Friendly fire my ass ..." wrote Cpl. Mitic on Twitter. Cpl. Mitic was a sniper who lost both legs when he later stepped on a land mine during another mission in Afghanistan."
Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/related/top ... z0uzdxdxLQ
DrCaleb @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:10 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
We are poorly served by our media.
I notice a severe lack of 'Journalists' who go out and investigate stories, whereas there are all too many 'Reporters' who simply tell us what happened and who wait to be spoon fed things to talk about.
Zipperfish @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:11 am
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
In the end it really doesnt matter, it is horrible but, finding out years after the fact that they may have been killed by Americans wont change a thing. Documents are kept secret for a reason.
If Canadians were killed by friendly fire, I don't see any reason why that should be secret. It's a reality of war. I can't think of what military strategic use it might have to keep it secret.
Zipperfish @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:14 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
We are poorly served by our media.
I notice a severe lack of 'Journalists' who go out and investigate stories, whereas there are all too many 'Reporters' who simply tell us what happened and who wait to be spoon fed things to talk about.
Brilliant!
Guy_Fawkes @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:24 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
In the end it really doesnt matter, it is horrible but, finding out years after the fact that they may have been killed by Americans wont change a thing. Documents are kept secret for a reason.
If Canadians were killed by friendly fire, I don't see any reason why that should be secret. It's a reality of war. I can't think of what military strategic use it might have to keep it secret.
The fact it was in initial report about the losses of a foreign friendly military power is a perfect reason to keep it secret. As you can plainly see. If this report was correct and it was due to friendly fire we would have heard about it, like every other time it has happened.
andyt @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:30 am
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
The fact it was in initial report about the losses of a foreign friendly military power is a perfect reason to keep it secret. As you can plainly see. If this report was correct and it was due to friendly fire we would have heard about it, like every other time it has happened.
Like the Pat Tillman case?
Guy_Fawkes @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:11 pm
andyt andyt:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
The fact it was in initial report about the losses of a foreign friendly military power is a perfect reason to keep it secret. As you can plainly see. If this report was correct and it was due to friendly fire we would have heard about it, like every other time it has happened.
Like the Pat Tillman case?
No, he was American. I am talking about Canada and Canadians.
Wullu @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:34 pm
Kinda makes ya start thinkin about the veracity of the rest of the documents don't it?
Oh, and Julian Assange? Feel free to start buying a shit load of plane tickets so that YOU can personally apologize to each and every family member of these four soldiers. You can tag along with almost the entire Canadian media. Christie Blatchford can cover the story. At least she puts an effort into her craft.
BTW, where are Thanos, Hyperion and jeff with their apologies?
BartSimpson @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:48 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
If Canadians were killed by friendly fire, I don't see any reason why that should be secret. It's a reality of war. I can't think of what military strategic use it might have to keep it secret.
The reasons you'd keep something like this secret is because there were probably details involved that could expose either ongoing operational techniques or because that information could threaten soldiers who are still in the field.
For instance, when some buttmunch reporter exposed that the USA was using Al Qaeda cell phones to hunt down and kill terrorists we lost an incredibly useful tool for finding these vermin.
Long story short, information about the military can be viewed as an algebraic expression and sometimes very critical information is exposed by very simple details.
In this case that would seem to be the case as both the US and Canadian commands agreed that this info needed to be secret.
As a for example:
If the four Canadians were operating out of uniform in an area where Canadians are supposedly not operating then you're exposing some pretty important info to the bad guys with just that.
herbie @ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:30 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Dragom Dragom:
Arg! Every time! Why do we even bother going to war with them anyway.
Because when it's your war you'll want us to back you up.
Excuse me? WHO all buggered off to Iraq and left us holding the fort?
Which we managed to do just fine.
And it is of some concern when our guys are killed engaging the enemy rather than being picked off like sitting ducks. We lost some already to friendly fire and we better be told if happens again.
Which it turns out they weren't in this case.
It's funny how you're all hopping to blame the media, did you also mean the 'embedded' media that's spoonfed us censored whitewashed bullshit all these years?