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130 killed for nothing? I'm not gonna let that one pass. You should be ashamed of yourself for that remark. You go over there and say that, and you'll get the crap beaten out of you, and rightly so.

   

While I agree with what you say, why is there justification for someone to have the crap kicked out of them for speaking their mind?

When did we turn into the US?

He should be ashamed of himself..... why?

While I agree that they didn't die for nothing to a degree, in your mind, what was the justification for their deaths?

   

Maybe McKay should try thinking about what the picture was trying to say. A hell of a lot of people elsewhere are thinking of us a "Little America" instead of as a distinct country.
We earned more international brownie points and coverage with our multiple peacekeeping missions and with a more independent foreign policy. Our embassies haven't pulled anything off other than question someone's lips... we haven't led a UN drive against anything serious. Even Mulroney was a leader against apartheid while the USA did shit.
We carried the ball in Afghanistan for years after the Yanks baled for their Iraqi adventure and most of them don't even know we're there to this day. It's even sucked up all the foreign aid money at the expense of Africa, where China is now at the forefront.

Besides, what's the real squawk? My mailbox was flooded with these crap flyers from Tory MPs I'd never even heard of in the weeks before the last election was called. Some of them actually were offensive. Like calling to remove prisoners voting rights and reducing a Green Plan to a moronic jingo.

   

He should be ashamed of himself because he belittled the sacrifice of those men and women who protect us. He would get the shit kicked out of him because soldiers don't put up with that crap from anyone. That has never been a US only trait. The justification for their deaths is they helped to put an end to tyrrany and oppression in Afghanistan imposed by the taliban. In effect to help fellow human beings to be free. Surely that is enough justification.

   

Rightly so. Despicable talk like that would get someone banned or punished if they were from the right side. Even if they don't support the mission, they need to at least respect the dedication and commitment of our troops.

A sickening display that he should be ashamed of.

   

Bullshit! I have somebody over there right now, and they are wondering about the point of the mission as well.

Right wing pretend patriotism at it's worst.

   

The real issue is, what do the Liberals mean on this?

Are they not proud to wear the flag anymore?

All this bollocks about people not holding us in high regard because of natives, Quebec etc, oh really? Who was polled on this, the FLQ supporters on the Plains of Abraham?

What has really changed with native issues and Quebec since Paul Martin left? A Huge policy sea change. Utter piffle.

The fact is that Liberals seem no longer to be proud of Canada, just because they are not in charge anymore.

   

If your somebody dies tomorrow, would you say they died for nothing?

   

It would be enough justification, but I believe you're jumping the gun a little.

The Tyrrany and oppression still exists in many parts of Afghanistan.

They never asked for us to "Liberate" them, nor did they ever ask for our way of life to be forced on them.

Freedom comes in many forms and to think our way of freedom is better then someone else's who doesn't ask for our freedom is a bit arrogant on our part.

He should be ashamed to say that our troops are dying for nothing.

Our troops are doing exactly what they are ordered to do and they're doing it beyond what most other nations over there are doing. Because of this alone they deserve our respect and our honor.

I no longer agree with this war and I only supported it for a very short time in a similar manner as you currently do. I felt that we were unjust to be sending our troops over to help clean up the US's mess.... but what's done is done, and so we should look for justification for our actions.

In doing so, we found that helping these people who have nothing to obtain something greater and to give them a chance to choose their way of life was enough justification.

But our allies are continually undermining our efforts, killing the same civilians we're supposed to be helping, alienating them from us and why we are there.

It would seem that while each country is given a paticular territory to control, how each country controls those territories and the people in them is erratic with no solid method of unity in this process.

Because of this, those we're trying to protect and give freedom to, thus our justification, is being continually undermined by air strikes, night raids, and the sort that end up killing more civilians.

This is what makes the mission in my eyes' futile.

I give all the props I can to our troops and their efforts and they diserve our respect for their sacrafices, but for every step we take forward, most of our allies drag us back 5.

Eventually one has to look at the reality of the situation and look at what's best for our own troops. Should they be fighting tooth and nail for something that's continually ruined by the actions of our allies, thus making our objectives and justifications harder to reach...... or should we give our allies a kick in the ass, do what's right for our troops and show some tough love?

What our troops are going through in Afghanistan is like an abusive relationship. We take the brunt of the abuse, but are too afraid to leave the relationship because we feel our "Loved" one needs us and won't be able to cope without us.

If we haul out, that forces the rest of our allies to realize that Canada won't be there to clean up their messes anymore & to PR the Afghans constantly to tell them that we're the good guys, and will have to start doing things right.

Our troops have fought hard and done a lot over there, the Afghan army is taking control and have been trained well. We have extended our mission over there twice already.

Our pressence has been felt, our efforts have been shown..... it's time to bring our troops back home to rest with their friends and families in which they truly diserve. Our allies are not on par with our troop's understanding of duty and to protect those we're there to protect, and they're going to have to learn the hard way.

   

Did you just bitch about tory propaganda in a thread ripping into Liberal propoganda?

   

That's exactly it but they also strongly objected to MPs sending flyers too.. if they were Conservatives. The common denominator isn't the topic but who's in power.

Was Iggy wearing a Canadian flag when he was calling himself an American?

   

I don't pretend to love my country. I have served it for 34 years. Your somebody over there may be questioning the point of it all, but I'm pretty damn sure that they are not demeaning their dead comrades' sacrifice with flippant left wing political bullshit comments either.

   

It would be pretty obvious that they did, now wouldn't it? If they're questioning it there serving on the front lines, I'd say they have the right to do so, don't you. If you're so gung ho, enlist and put a rifle where your mouth is.



It's obvious to anyone capable of operating two brain cells and is aware of the tradition of backpackers in Europe putting the flag on their backpack. It's a hiker's backpack and has nothing to do with the military. If you read anything else into this, you need your head examined.

   

You hit the nail on the head.

   

It's obvious that you didn't read the comment I was reacting to originally. It did indeed have to do with the military.
I didn't have to say anything about brain cells. Their comment said it all.

   

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