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wow, i ask you a wide open question, and you turn coward on me again.

   

I said review the previous posts in this thread and draw your own conclusion.

Quite being such a needy child.

   

I draw the conclusion that when someone asks you to be more specific about your assertions, you put your tail between your legs and run away like a female dog. Your insistance that I do your homework for you, is just an avoidance tactic from a spineless cowardly debating strategy that you have developed whenever someone calls on you to speak up a little.

Dont bother correcting me, you are the one that insists that I draw my own conclusions on what has been posted. So dont be trying to turn that around on us, you've made your bed, now lay in it.

   

Wow.

A day can't seem to go by without you pissing yourself in yet another tantrum because I won't pay more attention to your many needs. I'm sorry if I simply don't feel compelled to spell things out for you, or hold your hand, or do any of the other varied requirements that would allow you to keep up with the adults.

Please, refrain from trying. It gets tiring listening to your whining.

Here's a kleenex... blow your nose.

Oh, and have a cookie. You'll be fine.

   

You sound like a bitter little fella that flips burgers for a living.

That's okay, you're important to society as well.

   

Nice story. My apologies if you thought I gave a shit enough to want to hear it though.

I think I made it clear that I think university should be accessable, but not thrown out to whoever simply wants it. I think it should be rewarded for community service and academic ability. I don't feel, as a taxpayer, that I should help fund everyone who wants to go for a few years of post secondary education, whether they achieve something or piss it away for a few years before dropping out.

You can support that if you wish, and I wouldn't call you a leftie for it, just an idiot. I don't, which I don't think makes me a tighty rightie, just someone who'd rather see his tax dollars spent on better things - be it descent health care, more parks, better defence, and some good public transit.

   

Obviously you're not in social work.

   

See, total self involvement. You put out your story, but don't give a shit about anybody else's.



I actually agree with that. If it truly was a program that did catch all who had the ability and desire. Then you'd have to work on the primary and secondary system to make sure that kids from poorer homes got the help they needed to realize their potential. And your program would have cut me out, I guess, since I certainly didn't have a good high school track record. There's many people like me who it turns out are academically quite able, but still don't do well in high school for various reasons. I'm sure grateful that in my time uni was affordable and good paying jobs to fund it were easy to get.

   

Keep the student loan programs accessable and the entrance problems for those of medium- to modest-income backgrounds solves itself. Make the loan programs fully operated by the government, at no interest, and cut the banks out altogether. Full repayment after graduation, on a fair & long-term schedule, begins once employment is acheived. Restrict penalties for only the worst defaulters and don't give back tax refunds to the borrower until at least 50% of the balance of the loan has been paid back.

Fuck, I paid back my $10000 that I owed for two years at the U of C and another two years at SAIT. The others can do it too. It's not that difficult and it's the first major step in establishing a good credit rating that will last the rest of a person's life. Don't make the terms of repayment unduly harsh, especially to those who might be having problems getting that first job in their field and to those with small children, but don't fall victim to any bullshit sob stories from the morons who majored in utterly useless shit like basket-weaving or gay studies either. Make the universities back into what they alwasy should have been: places that create useful and contributing well-educated individuals and not into refuges for bored and lazy dilletantes to endlessly spin their wheels.

   

I have a good friend that spent 6 years at uni majoring in History and Philosophy.
I asked him if he was going to be a teacher. He said he doubted it.
I asked him if he was gonna go into the business world. He said he wasn't.

He now works in underwater construction and salvage And brings home more net income in 6 months than many Canadians gross in 2 years, and he LOVES what he does for a living.
To his credit, one of the first things he did was pay off his student loans.

The trick is, find something you love to do, then find a way to make good money doing it. A university education is NOT a prerequisite for financial wealth.
The only real prerequisite is ambition.

   

ASLplease; The gentleman (Gunnair) has only requested that you engage your own thought process.

   

A MacDonald gentleman. . careful he 's never heard that term before and he might view it as a slight.

   

"andyt" wrote:

Actually, had you not taken our discussion down the rabbit hole of invective, then I'd likely be more interested.





Well, I think that we don't have to look at academic ability based solely on entrance exams, though without making the system unwieldy, it would likely rely on them a lot. I get that not everyone with ability does well on written tests - I was an instructor for years and saw that.

   

I've heard of a Campbell gentleman - you know, one of those fellas who won't get out of the tub to pee...

   

Well, that and we simply don't play well in the sandbox together so I can't be bothered to positively engage him so matter how much he follows me around like a needy child asking "Why? Why? Why?"

It's generally easier not to discuss topics with some posters if you don't get along. Sometimes it might work out, but generally, what may begin as positive will quickly just turn into flaming.

   

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